Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Ok, here I drew a better circuit, arranged the components in a more understandable fashion. (And put letters to all ) However, I am also adding the magnetic polarity of Coil at both stages of Oscillator signals, Red is our "Artificially" created Magnetic Field result of our Input to Coil. Blue is the Naturally created by Radiant Energy opposite magnetic field...
Now, what we are getting out are "Pure Inductance Counter Electro Motive Forces (As Physics Says)...or Back EMF.
The Field created by Radiant Energy is way bigger in spectrum, flux force and of a MUCH Higher Frequency than Our Input created Field. In my previous picture of the Fluorescent Lamp 125 Watts, the two Extech meters are showing Hertz on both fields, left at 2033Hz is Radiant, right meter 800Hz is ours. In the video, I uploaded in YT, by final part, when I am turning on-off by hand, you could see meters deflect at Load-No Load. However, always keeping the differences between them. If there is a certain time with no load, the Radiant Field becomes 'Stabilized' with Primary (Ours), meaning same Hz...
Now , just to go over some Physics Concepts related to Inductors versus Motor Generator Coils.

Physics says that the reason the Inductor changes polarities is due to the Collapsing of the ORIGINATING Field, where "The shrinking" of the Magnetic Field, starts changing direction of the flux lines cutting the wires lines in an opposite direction, therefore,inductor shows reversed polarities. They also say is due to Inductor trying to keep current (I) Constant.
When Physics explains the same exact phenomena, (A Simple Coil of Enameled Wire) but applying it to Dynamo-electric Machines...then 'remembers' about Faraday's Laws...mentioning is a "Dragging Force" THEN, call it C EMF, not related to Electro Magnetic Fields, BUT instead, to Electro 'Motive Force'...and it is a very high coincidence, the fact that even the meaning been so different, the "Letters are Identical"...How could we dispute which is which between C EMF or C EMF?

The readings of the Radiant Energy Electromagnetic Field, at all shows, the least signs to be collapsing, fading or shrinking, on the contrary, it is Superior in many parameters to the "Originating" One. And been Opposite in Polarity Orientation, is understood that its Output Voltage is reverse of ours.
However, since Inductors are static components, and do not play any roll into 'Magnetic Interactions' , we could say that mentioning about Magnetic fields reversing, is "not that important"...

I have tried this output on typical DC brush motors, they go beyond estimated top speed...rated to go that fast at a consumption of @ 36 Volts, However using this just simple arrangement of Coil-Diodes it uses 4.0 Volts, going over speed limits, but the must impressive thing is...as they accelerate they become much colder...I will be filming this and using an Infrared Digital Thermometer...

The Diodes should be the lowest resistance than the IN4000 family (rated @600 Ohms)...I use the NTE576...rated at 400 Volts and @400Ohms. besides being a bigger body diode...however, I have Blown them with low voltage input but RE feed back spikes when Load was 'demanding too much' ...but there are many available that would do the job, Fast Switching is very Important!

Well, I think this is all I wanted to say...besides thanking all of you for being so patient and nice to me.

So See You tomorrow...
And have a nice evening!

Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

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The Field created by Radiant Energy is way bigger in spectrum, flux force and of a MUCH Higher Frequency than Our Input created Field. In my previous picture of the Fluorescent Lamp 125 Watts, the two Extech meters are showing Hertz on both fields, left at 2033Hz is Radiant, right meter 800Hz is ours. In the video, I uploaded in YT, by final part, when I am turning on-off by hand, you could see meters deflect at Load-No Load. However, always keeping the differences between them. If there is a certain time with no load, the Radiant Field becomes 'Stabilized' with Primary (Ours), meaning same Hz...
Now , just to go over some Physics Concepts related to Inductors versus Motor Generator Coils.

Physics says that the reason the Inductor changes polarities is due to the Collapsing of the ORIGINATING Field, where "The shrinking" of the Magnetic Field, starts changing direction of the flux lines cutting the wires lines in an opposite direction, therefore,inductor shows reversed polarities. They also say is due to Inductor trying to keep current (I) Constant.
When Physics explains the same exact phenomena, (A Simple Coil of Enameled Wire) but applying it to Dynamo-electric Machines...then 'remembers' about Faraday's Laws...mentioning is a "Dragging Force" THEN, call it C EMF, not related to Electro Magnetic Fields, BUT instead, to Electro 'Motive Force'...and it is a very high coincidence, the fact that even the meaning been so different, the "Letters are Identical"...How could we dispute which is which between C EMF or C EMF?

The readings of the Radiant Energy Electromagnetic Field, at all shows, the least signs to be collapsing, fading or shrinking, on the contrary, it is Superior in many parameters to the "Originating" One. And been Opposite in Polarity Orientation, is understood that its Output Voltage is reverse of ours.
However, since Inductors are static components, and do not play any roll into 'Magnetic Interactions' , we could say that mentioning about Magnetic fields reversing, is "not that important"...

I have tried this output on typical DC brush motors, they go beyond estimated top speed...rated to go that fast at a consumption of @ 36 Volts, However using this just simple arrangement of Coil-Diodes it uses 4.0 Volts, going over speed limits, but the must impressive thing is...as they accelerate they become much colder...I will be filming this and using an Infrared Digital Thermometer...

The Diodes should be the lowest resistance than the IN4000 family (rated @600 Ohms)...I use the NTE576...rated at 400 Volts and @400Ohms. besides being a bigger body diode...however, I have Blown them with low voltage input but RE feed back spikes when Load was 'demanding too much' ...but there are many available that would do the job, Fast Switching is very Important!

Well, I think this is all I wanted to say...besides thanking all of you for being so patient and nice to me.

So See You tomorrow...
And have a nice evening!

Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by Dave45

This is just a thought could we use the RE from your circuit run into another coil and circuit setup and get hot electricity as bemf at a lower frequency with amplification.
dave

Originally Posted by Aaron

UFO,

Your diagram here:



is identical to the common SSG circuit of John Bedini unless I'm missing something. Look below. Switch goes off, diode from bottom of inductor
goes through load/secondary battery/etc... (X) then just right back to
the positive terminal of the battery - that is exactly what you appear
to be showing in your diagram above.

The only deviation from the common SSG is that you simply added another
diode after the load before going back to the positive of the input, which
probably doesn't make a significant difference.



I'm not discouraging anything you're doing but so far I don't see a
difference from the SSG - but I could be missing something.

You're using a mosfet and if there was no load attached, the coil's
transient spike can move backwards because the mosfet's intrinsic diode
will conduct and you will get that spike simply returning backwards right
to the source battery, which the battery really doesn't like. But with a
load, most of the spike will go the path of least impedance.

If you put a scope across your input battery or cap, you will see the
spike come back to it in a regenerating pulse - do it without a load, then
add your load and compare the difference.

Originally Posted by Aaron

"You're using a mosfet and if there was no load attached, the coil's
transient spike can move backwards because the mosfet's intrinsic diode
will conduct and you will get that spike simply returning backwards right
to the source battery, which the battery really doesn't like. But with a
load, most of the spike will go the path of least impedance..."

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hi Dave,

This type of Higher Frequency Electricity is MUCH FASTER than Our Hot electricity... I had tested its Inductance on a Secondary Coil (I will move 'in time' into that stage)...And results are excellent.
Before the Hot Electricity gets to Induce into Secondary Coil, (I had read-outs of 0.01V Hot while RE(Cold) is at 200V steady)we have a robust presence of Cold in the Secondary...I believe this works towards our entire benefit.
So, why would you want to return to a slower and hotter electricity?
The idea here, is for Us to use the "least as possible" of our Hot electricity side, in order to Gain on the other side of our Diodes Gates cleaner and higher results.
Do you agree with me here up to here?

Thanks for your reply. it was great, in order for me to establish my point of view!

Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

By doing this, you see the Spikes getting back to our Mosfet, to our battery, to our side, not looking at other side...
Why do you think the spikes come back to our system under 'No-Load' conditions and why they don't (or much less) 'On-Load', besides the fact you mentioned, that spikes and any other traveling currents will choose to flow through a less impedance,less resistive or less opposed force path?

Well, simply because we are not offering the other side any protection from our side...and that diode (D2) is doing just that, preventing from being all times 'our' positive side 'Invoking' for negative spikes to come in our side. as It establishes a Barrier to our Positive and also a Barrier from it's Negative side to come into our system.


That is the reason why, I have established a Blue Arrow Flow for Cold Electricity, and Red Arrow for Hot Electricity to define Sides here.
Therefore, in order to understand what I am doing, you should also look , please, at "The Other Side", by just drawing a virtual line at center of Inductor as to establish a "LIMIT" where We all should start looking into that RIGHT SIDE also (And I am saying Inductor, just because it is easier for you to understand it this way, however, my interest is that you look at IT, NOT ONLY as a Toroidal Inductor with a couple of heavy gauge wire, Statically Seating on top of a circuit board, but to ANY COIL of enameled magnetic wire, other words, an Electromagnet that could be also applied to other uses, like a Motor or a Generator in further steps I intend to explain here for all of you.

Electronic Circuits could divert or confuse Us a lot into communicating with each others to see differences, just by changing the arrangement and positioning of components, then running long wires to get to them. In order to achieve better understanding, We should arrange Components FIRST, in such a fashion, so that our wires to connect them, would be as short as possible.

Thanks for your opinion Aaron, and comparison to Mr Bedini's great device, it helps a lot for Us to start understanding where I am coming from.

Thanks very much

Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by Dave45

I agree, cold is better if we can manage it, and it will run our appliances.
evidently you have managed to capture it, as seen in your vids

We are anxious to see what further developments you have made

Thank You for revealing what you have discovered,
dave

Originally Posted by Dave45

I agree, cold is better if we can manage it, and it will run our appliances.
evidently you have managed to capture it, as seen in your vids

We are anxious to see what further developments you have made

Thank You for revealing what you have discovered,
dave

Originally Posted by blackchisel97

@Ufopolitics Thank you for explanation. I ran couple tests and observed circuit behavior in resonant state. I tried incandescent bulb, as well as bulb in series with battery (just to try out some ideas).
My output freq. during first test was 13.5-15kHz, which I found to be the best resonant spot at lowest input A and best charging rate. I mainly rely on my scope reading. Transistor remains cold. I'll try to find my ultra fast diodes hiding from me but not sure if they're rated that high.
I'm curious about the different oscillator you have mentioned.


Vtech

Originally Posted by Aaron

I just saw this: RADIANT FREE ENERGY - YouTube

Not sure if this is part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTRX8IfJQY but youtube removed it for music copyright violation. Looking forward to seeing it.

Originally Posted by Farmhand

Looks like your harvesting the collapsing magnetic field to me.

How do you say your not just using the emf from the collapsing magnetic field ?

Originally Posted by Aaron

I'm not trapped in anything. You're preaching to the choir here so don't get me wrong. I'm just asking for clarification.

Your red arrow looks like it simply shows the direction of the positive voltage potential while the "hot current" actually moves in the opposite direction of the red arrow on that side of the circuit. But I understand
your point that it is on the "hot" side.

In this diagram, as mentioned earlier, the power supply is reversed. Is that intentional and you're trying to run the circuit inverted or something?



Or is the power supply actually supposed to have the positive terminal connected directly to the inductor like this:



I apologize if you already answered that but its a bit confusing to show both because their operation would be different.

No, I am looking at both sides. I said the spike from inductor moving to source battery will do so if it is unloaded on the "cold" side. That is a fact that you seem to agree with and this has nothing to do with the "cold" side. And this only happens with a mosfet that has the internally reversed didoe and will not do this with a transistor.

There was a diagram early in this thread showing it can be a transistor or a mosfet but if the circuit is unloaded, they behave differently. When the transistor is off, the inductor does not kick back to the battery - I have never seen this, not even a $10k scope could find any kickback to the primary battery.

Mosfet is a different story of course. When the mosfet is off, the intrinsic diode is in the reverse direction so the cathode is at the inductor side of the mosfet and it will be in full conduction so the coil's collapse does have a path back to the front battery. You probably know this, but I'm just spelling it out so there it is clear what I'm saying.

Here is a diagram for anyone unfamiliar with this - almost all mosfets have this reversed diode in it from source towards gate back towards the positive of the power supply:



Does your mosfet have the reversed diode or not? I know it doesn't make a difference in your overall example, but I think it is helpful to know specifically.

And I said that IF the other side IS loaded, then a difference may be seen on the primary battery by putting a scope across it. I just said there can be a comparison that can be seen to demonstrate where the spike is preferring to go. Obviously if the impedance of the load on the "cold side" is less than the impedance of the inductor, the spike will take that route and nothing will be pulsed back to the primary.

So based on your diagram, if you put a low impedance battery there on the output on the "cold side", the battery of course will receive the spike and it will charge it. But if you put an inductor on that output side and it is a higher impedance than the coil on the mostfet, that spike will never go to the load, it will go back to the battery - if the mosfet has the reversed diode in it that is.

With a transistor, you can guarantee that the only path is to the load on the "cold" side when it is switched off.

Anyway, I'm not disputing your claims about what happens on the "cold" side - this is all for clarification.

So far, do you agree with all the above? This doesn't get to what happens on the "cold" side yet but I think helps set the stage - at least for me to understand what you're doing.

Originally Posted by Dave45

@Ufopolitics
please dont get discouraged with some here, we are just trying to understand
please continue with your findings
dave

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

So about 8 years ago I built this very same motor on my own. I used a set of points, transistors, Fets, relays, all kinds of switch's. Simple Motor
It just interests me how it someone else rediscovered.

So instead of complaining or anything let me give some assets, so you read further into what you are doing. It is a very conventionally used circiut.

Boost converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Bedini's patent

And there is one other link for a patent from Toyota back in the 70's, but it evaids at the moment.

The joule thief's all work this way.

You just stepping up voltage. You may be harvesting the collapsing field to some extent but if your stepping the voltage up more than about 8x via the boost circuit, what your seeing is ultra low current voltage. Not much else. Even at those ratio's the BEMF is very low and will be indicated by the negative curve on your scope. You also maybe seeing transient behavior from the inductor. This is real extra energy, but the net gain will not get you above 99% as you have to tap the ground to make the current move, to create the effect. Most boost circuits reside in the 89%- 92% percent ratio for efficiency.
If you take the time to scope it with some math you'll find your efficiency.

Now that is not to say its not useful, but there are better means to go about the process. Search this forum, a few people have found them.

Matt

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Anyways, that transistor I blew it up,and since was not a MOSFET, by inverting the terminals...didn't have the intrinsic diode... So yes Blackchisel, go ahead and throw it out, no good anymore...

And yes, I do know about the intrinsic diode on MOSFET's...in my circuits I always use an extra one right next to each MOSFET's of the Parallel Bank, since they are not as strong as a dedicated component specifically for those reasons..

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

It is very simple to answer that with just two facts:

Number one, I have measured what you call Back EMF, or C EMF due to the "Collapsing Magnetic Field" (And I understand perfectly your statements in their entirety. As it is the way Physics had explained it, and the way WE have learned for many generations )

Now, out of the "Box" of Physics, just for a few seconds if you could...just let be, your self common sense judgement in complete control...

Does a "Collapsing Magnetic Field" shows this type of "Attitude"??

1- Does a Collapsing Magnetic Field gives you readings of much higher Increase of Operating Frequencies (Hz) than the Originating (Our) Magnetic Field, under constant oscillations coming from "our side"?

2-Does a Collapsing Magnetic Field, where you have previously and clearly defined your Originating Magnetic Field polarities, changes into an Opposite Polarity that is Much Greater in Strength, to the point of Turning upside down a Rare Earth, super strong cylindrical permanent magnet, in order to attract to that supposedly collapsing magnetic field opposite pole?

I have done this tests...and , by all means, you are free to go ahead and try them also.


Thanks so much, Farmhand, for bringing the Issue I was expecting for...even though I had mentioned so many times here...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

2 Tests if you will...
Test #1
If this is truly cold current you should be able to run it through a resistive load and the resistor should cool down.

Test #2
Measure the resistance of the WATER you submersed the bulb hookups in at or about the same distance as the lamps hookup. Measure the current going into the bulb and coming out of the bulb and calculate the resistance through the ballast. This should tell you the amount of resistance (roughly) as compared to the water.

And while your at it hook the leads up to your wet finger and see if the charge penetrates your skin or if rides the surface.

If the resistor cools down and the water has low to no resistance (and you didn't get shocked) then you are dealing with some form of cold current.

Other wise your just looking at high frequency high voltage, with little to no current.

Matt