Originally Posted by Beachcomber310

I have been reading watching all the work done by people here at replicating this motor. My background is in Electronics and not in motor armature winding. All my motor build so far has been along the line of pulse motors and Newman Style motors so working with the type of motors that you are using for this project is not so easy for me. Even so I bought two Radio Shack motors to give it a try. Well it didn't go so well as I broke the commutator trying to get it off the motor. I am not giving up I am just going to try and find some bigger motors to work with. The Radio Shack motors are small. Tried getting the Traxxas Motor from Pep Boys. Went to 3 different Pep Boys stores and they were all out of the motor. So either they fail alot or everyone has been out buying the build these motors One thing that has me a little confused. In UFO's video he said the motor runs cold and there is little to no arcing of the commutator which is great. But in JohnG's I think was his name he said his motor did get fairly warm and in a few hours of running he burnt out a set of brushes. Is it possible that his may not have been wired quite right or the phasing off a bit? Just trying to get a better handle on this. It seems like a real breakthrough that has been suppressed for a very long time and I hope to be able make a good working unit of my own soon.

Thanks and keep up the great work people!!!!!

Beachcomber310

Originally Posted by Turion

I am working on a generator now. Have to have something to do while I'm running tests! Bought out one radio shack and working on a second one!

Dave

Originally Posted by Beachcomber310

I have been reading watching all the work done by people here at replicating this motor. My background is in Electronics and not in motor armature winding. All my motor build so far has been along the line of pulse motors and Newman Style motors so working with the type of motors that you are using for this project is not so easy for me. Even so I bought two Radio Shack motors to give it a try. Well it didn't go so well as I broke the commutator trying to get it off the motor. I am not giving up I am just going to try and find some bigger motors to work with. The Radio Shack motors are small. Tried getting the Traxxas Motor from Pep Boys. Went to 3 different Pep Boys stores and they were all out of the motor. So either they fail alot or everyone has been out buying the build these motors One thing that has me a little confused. In UFO's video he said the motor runs cold and there is little to no arcing of the commutator which is great. But in JohnG's I think was his name he said his motor did get fairly warm and in a few hours of running he burnt out a set of brushes. Is it possible that his may not have been wired quite right or the phasing off a bit? Just trying to get a better handle on this. It seems like a real breakthrough that has been suppressed for a very long time and I hope to be able make a good working unit of my own soon.

Thanks and keep up the great work people!!!!!

Beachcomber310

Originally Posted by Turion

Test setup ready for a day of testing.

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hello Dad Hav,


I am very sorry I have not being able to respond before to you, since I have been dedicated entirely to finish my work here. I hope you could forgive me.

I think I could help Woopy just a bit, about explaining your concerns and questions about this Systems...

This Machines as Motor function related have many advantages over any of the Symmetrical kind.

1- Effective Voltage (Ev) at Armature/Rotor is greater than Input Voltage (Ea), since the power that used to be called C EMF in the past Symmetrical System...and was of "negative value", therefore, had to be deducted from Ea...Now has become of Positive value, therefore, on complete assistance to Rotation Force and is added to Ev.

1-a: This positive parameter on our side, generates an increase of force volume on this motors, beyond the short circuit ones and of course...of the latest BLDC Motor...that is a complete crash of flow in its Star or Delta windings...

1-b: This positive factor allows Us, to "no longer sacrifice" one of the desired parameters as are RPM's or Torque like We all have been taught it MUST be done...sorry..but not anymore, yes, We can have both Worlds together.

2-The Source or Battery consumption reduces to Milli-volts levels, when compared to a short circuit reversed polarity symmetrical motor...

3- This Motors do not have reversed or negative feedback "parasitical" and randomly traveling currents hitting and frying our electronic sensitive components anymore...The Flow has been oriented to go "One Way Only"...

4-This Motors do not require "massive amperage" to operate and develop their work at very efficient levels...The Typical Amperage requirements of Symmetrical Machines, was entirely due, to their constant wrestling electrical-current forces within their rotating components...Reminding all here, that Amperage is a "Population Value" of Electrons at a given section of the conductor, therefore, is understood, that if we have a machine that has a very populated Incoming Traffic towards Our Traffic Flow...the measurements at any given part of such conductors...Our meters will read "Mega Congested Amperage Area" in just that section.

Therefore We are all gonna have to familiarize with the so called "Nonsensical" arguments of many, many Inventors, the list is huge, who stated, their "Machines worked only on Voltage"...or "They did not require a Higher Amperage"...and so on, they kept repeating to exhaustion, and were all taken as "ignorant and not properly skilled in the Art, or in the fields"...

5- This Motors allow many other circuit-windings designs within the same armature, comprehending wider poles configurations, that increases their "throw out angles of magnetic forces " developing speeds beyond our knowledge in any electrical motor known so far.
As they also allow an "Start-Up Winding" of shorter poles for greater torque in much heavier machines...it will become a kind of Electromagnetic Transmission within just one embodiment.

6-This Machines only "Turn On and Turn Off" their Coils, in order to achieve rotation, therefore is understood, that Electronic Signaling Circuitry based on just Opto Isolators could be employed, reducing all friction drag and heat... But mainly leaving to Electronics Highly developed logic circuitry to control their operations in a more accurate and faster response fashion.

7- We can combine, add, modulate and exchange this machines internal and external components as We desire, and that includes the fusion of Motors and Generators in just One Assembly...in order to obtain our specific design requests.

There are many more advantages to them...and then some we never thought off will come in near future...and I know We will.

This Machines will bring a new age for Motor and Generator applications...World wide...the list of benefits is endless and limited only to our capacity and imagination...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by DadHav

First thank you for addressing my questions. You may know that I've been designing and building motors for a long time so your claims have me interested but cautious. Cautious because I've wasted thousands of hours following other people and their claims of over unity. All of what you say may be true but their hasn't been anyone to provide tests which back up your claims. Or maybe I've missed them somewhere. Every thing I see so far is drawing a lot of current. So far measuring an increase in voltage does not mean anything more than a standard generator effect unless you can draw a load and not have the current draw go up on the input at the same time. A modified motor must be more efficient than the original. If I swing an 8-6 prop on the original RS motor at a certain RPM at a certain wattage based on the voltage and current, then you should be able to swing the prop at the same RPM with much less wattage with the modified motor. As complicated and technical as your explanation is to me, no one has provided a simple test like I propose to show us there really is an advantage to this motor. An easy to understand straight forward example of how good this modification is. I'm hoping to see something that will send me down to my workshop and get me busy but until then I'm going to take my time and put one of these together at my leisure.
Thank you very much UFO for answering me. I really hope to see a real world application from this group. If there is a video example you care to reference I'd be glad to look at it and give my opinion. I've looked at your videos but you do not test in a manner that proves what you say. But of course that's only my opinion and I really don't insist that you cater to me. The truth good or bad will come out sooner or later. I hope for the best.
John H

Originally Posted by waterfall

As long as we use combination of:copper and pm. magnets-there will be some magnetic drag..I would like to see somebody test it with copper in stator-not pm. magnets..Than i think we will have zero magnetic drag,of course with proper timing!!
waterfall

Originally Posted by Ganzha

hi
how you going to open them
i did today but it is hard job
i have the same type
johnson but from chine//// i think

Originally Posted by Turion

UFO,
The brushes are aligned in the conversion. I rotated the commutator slowly and checked for alignment between segments. And it runs great. If I look through the openings in the motor case, I can see that the screws inside that hold the brushes down are aligned with each other, but the casing isn't for some reason. Maybe there is more than one way the end cap can snap into place on the casing if you rotate it.

The generator is wired exactly the same as the motor, correct? If that is so, I will have a third setup to add to my collection by the end of the day....a modified motor running a modified generator. I mean it's only four more motors and those folks at Radio Shack LOVE to see me come in the door.

Someone asked how the shafts are connected. I took a Bic pen apart and the cartridge inside that holds the ink...I cut off some sections. I put epoxy on the ends of the shaft and slid this on. It is an extremely tight fit, which is what I wanted.

Got some errands to run this morning, then will spend the afternoon testing and building another motor and generator. I may have to buy another Bic pen!

Dave

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hello to All, Hello Waterfall,Hello Dad Hav, Hello kEhYo77 (Grreat Babies there!!)


Good morning to All,

Yes, I have used Copper_to_Copper set up, and You are absolutely right, They perform much better there, and besides the fact you have mentioned (lack of existence of constant magnetic drag from PM's) there is more to it...

We could pulse this Stators-Armatures at same exact controlled oscillations, then We will get a much better synchronized and managed displacement all along the performance.

This Asymmetrical Armatures will work with Symmetrical Dual, Quad and whatever "Pairs" of numbers combinations you decide to choose for your design...of the Stators Fields. My best connections between them, at this side of the "Road" is to connect them in Parallel, in order that Armature-Stator receive the same exact pulsed signal without distortion-noise from resistance or capacitance on either coils...The other "side" of this is even greater, as the way Radiant Energy induces through air faster than normal Hot Flux...If We maintain the SAME DIRECTION of Windings at Stator and Armatures....Then We get HER to also Induce HER Strength in those Inner Armature Coils...just as I have explained in my first post here...(I am closing the loop, grrreat!!)...Just like a very powerful transformer, but transmitting the energy even though "Isolated Secondaries" are rotating at very high speeds...SHE will "catch up", just because HER great ultra fast speed, way faster than normal electricity...

The Third Advantage to this...(yes, and there is still more), is the fact, that as I have mentioned in my previous Thread about Tapping Radiant Energy with my Motors...We can add Bifilar Wound Stators and get Energy from them through Negative Induction* just using a Pair of Diodes, like I have described and explained there, in my previous little coil set up lighting Neons and CFL's...

A Bifilar Wound Stator will create a much stronger Magnetic Field than just a single wire...keeping resistance at low values, but never below one Ohm...or you would be risking your controller electronics, MOSFET's as low voltage signaling circuitry by too high stresses from HER, coming back at Us at speeds our tronic's can't handle (it never did, as a matter of fact, we've been "patching" so far to get by "half way decently")...but we, at that thread are trying to design enough powerful "Tronics" to handle HER speeds through Isolated Opto's.


There is also the Asymmetrical Wound Stators for this arrangements...but I rather display that part further on as we get the replicas functioning and performing the way I have said...then You all will "finally" trust and believe in me...

Many Regards and thanks


Ufopolitics





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Originally Posted by bbem

Ufo,
Maybe it was asked before, but then I missed it.
What is the best way to remove the lacquer/email from the magnet wire?

Regards,
Bert

ps. Was thinking about nail polish remover

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hello and Welcome here,
.....................
He burnt it because He was doing it with just one commutator in a smaller than the 5 pole body...He joined three cables at end and run through bearings contacts...it got hot, and was a bit cheaper model...but He got out some power to get a light going...so, still was a good testing...Motors were $1.00 each...lol
......................
Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by waterfall

Hi ufopolitics..you don't stop to surprise us..
"We could pulse this Stators-Armatures at same exact controlled oscillations, then We will get a much better synchronized and managed displacement all along the performance."

Does it mean that we can electronically pulsed both-rotor and stator coils IN THE PRECISE SAME TIME IF THE ROTOR COILS ARE IN ASYMMETRIC STATE???
Also that stator coils could be in any symmetric mode?
You just need to pulse them(rotor-stator) in parallel fashion??
Thanks friend
waterfall

Originally Posted by woopy

Hi Netica

thank's very much por the connection plan, very helpfull.

So now my "school motor" generate 12. 5 volt for a measured 8.12 input volts.

Yep a lot to learn.



Hi Dad Hav

No no i am not a long experimenter on this motor, as i began my replication on the 12 of july that is to say 4 days ago HiHi!
And i am trying hard to rightly understand what is going on.
So i am in full discouvering mode with enthousiasm.

So i am now testing all sort of connections and tuning and i am far to be ready for so called scientific measurement .
By chance and for once there is a lot of very good replicators arround, and i have no doubt that this project will go forward and fast.

good luck at all

Laurent

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hello Bert,

Hey, I was just kidding...about the lazy guy...did not meant for you to take it apart...lol

Listen, how many Amps-Volts are you getting out of just the Output terminals, not bridged?

30 is kind of a fine wire, what kind of body you have there?...last time I saw the 7 poles body..similar or could you get a bit higher awg, less turns...I did my three poles TRAXXAS with 26...

Let me know


Regards


Ufopolitics

Originally Posted by waterfall

Hi ufopolitics..you don't stop to surprise us..
"We could pulse this Stators-Armatures at same exact controlled oscillations, then We will get a much better synchronized and managed displacement all along the performance."

Does it mean that we can electronically pulsed both-rotor and stator coils IN THE PRECISE SAME TIME IF THE ROTOR COILS ARE IN ASYMMETRIC STATE???
Also that stator coils could be in any symmetric mode?
You just need to pulse them(rotor-stator) in parallel fashion??
Thanks friend
waterfall

Originally Posted by Ufopolitics

Hello Waterfall,

Thanks,

Yes indeed, Waterfall, remember the "signal" to armatures via brushes, gets to "ONLY ONE" (or may be two- at most- if Brush is touching the "In-between" area of contacts therefore connected in parallel) Pairs of Coils isolated from the rest...So take this "Momentum" of rotation into a "Still Paused Frame" and analyze that set up- connections.. We have a Transformer Pulsing Primary(Stator) ..into One or Two Secondaries (Armature Coils)...per nano second of rotation...but that are also set in a Attraction-Repulsion "Fashion Mode" related to Magnetic Fields dispositions...so, we get a sudden drastic mechanical force that replaces Secondary Coils by the "next in line" waiting...to restart the process again...While, already charged, now disconnected Secondary, travels to EXIT OUTPUT Brushes to "deliver" its charge and done with his assignment ...to get "back in line"...This process is excellent, since we are granting them to rest for a bit, thanks to separation from contacts...on every coil in the configuration...time to cool off...discharge go back and recharge...
Therefore pulsing the Stator gives the advantages to REALLY CONTROL the rotation of Inner Coils...from movements as slow as only a Servo-Motor could do...with all the Gear boxes attached to it...all the way to ultra-fast speeds regulated by Stator pulsed signals that create a pulsing Magnetic Field...now, pulsing the Stator magnetic field, creates an inductive collapse...and then Radiant gets in our system...but I will complicate my explanation if I keep going here...however, this is the BEST PART...


Regards


Ufopolitcs

Originally Posted by DadHav

Quick question. Is that a model airplane motor starter? I have a few of them but thought I'd get comfortable before taking them apart.
John H.

Originally Posted by DadHav

UFO. I can't remember who suggested putting the shaft in from each side, but it can be done. There has to be some careful polishing after though to get the shaft to run smooth in the bushings. I was wondering since an overlap wind produces a high speed motor already would it be worth a try to increase the number of winds on the prototype? The original motor had 70 turns. Would more than 25 turns fit. Here's a video of the double shaft but I think a single shaft would be the best option:
Double Shaft.mp4 - YouTube
John H

Originally Posted by DadHav

UFO. I can't remember who suggested putting the shaft in from each side, but it can be done. There has to be some careful polishing after though to get the shaft to run smooth in the bushings. I was wondering since an overlap wind produces a high speed motor already would it be worth a try to increase the number of winds on the prototype? The original motor had 70 turns. Would more than 25 turns fit. Here's a video of the double shaft but I think a single shaft would be the best option:
Double Shaft.mp4 - YouTube
John H