Hello Farmhand,


Yes I WILL do it ...I will show you ALL, such a DYNO...that would be beyond expectations here (well not expected from me)...just to prove I AM RIGHT...

And I am NOT going to test little cheap toys ...and I will not use LiPo's...

Promise...


Regards


Ufopolitics

I know... everybody is talking and few building

Just remember I'm wanting to see one hour flight times on the quadcopter...

Les

I'd like to suggest the following thoughs for evaluation. I am not after any theory but like to have a look to facts in order to know what to do next.
I feel it to be essential to devise some measurements - not for proving anything but in order get an overview on where to optimize next.

1. Reviewing the vid from P. Lindeman confirms that he made a shortcut in his calculation at around minute 40:43. In a standard motor the current in an individual active winding is absolute identical for both: forward voltage effects and and opposing effect. So he cancelled the current out and calculated the ratio of voltages only. At these conditions it is permittable and exact.
In case of assymmetric motors with different windings the condition above can't be applied.

2. As far I understood the matter the witch has two residences:

• [1]Counter generator effect in a coil moving relative to a megnetic field (see Lindemann vid)
  [2]Wasting stored energy (in the magnetic field) after it performed the torque/movement (mentioned by UFO)

I am not shure what residence we attacked up to now.
If (1) then the motors would be driven at about 20% of the rated voltage only .
If (2) then we should get out energy (current times voltage) somehow via the free winding path.
None of both was done up to now so we obviously have shifted the witch into an area where she can rage herself out without harm to anybody (wild oscillations). Maybe these oscillations trigger scalar events - vague speculation?????
That is no critics but the vision of a chance to get even more effitiency. I do not doubt the increased effitiencies reported already.

3. I expect that for a given input energy we can get out a certain recovered energy on the second winding path. This current should support the movement of the armature.
What will happen if we draw more energy out? Will it support the movement as well or will it do what usual generator windings do - counter motor effect in a generator?

4. Unfortunately we can not devise scientific power measurements. In such a case we need to move to comparing measurements. Apart that we do not want to prove a COP of 1.000001 only along scientific error calculation. We want to get hefty COP and then moderate losses of our measurement setup is tolerable.

5. So I suggest to use a motor as generator and devise measuremts under identical conditions.

Use two motors from stock and use one as drive motor and the other as generator. Use different input voltges and apply different loads at the generator side. i.e.


A) Reference measurements:
Measure free spinning current at differnt voltages: 6V / 9V / 12V

Uin = 6V later on 9V / 12V

• apply load: 0mA/50mA/100mA/200mA/500mA/ 1A (see LM317 as current regulator)
• measure for every condition: input / output voltage
• calculate power in Watts for every measurement.

You will find out if there is any sweet spot in this setup
Output: Measure currents: 50MA/ 1

B) Measure modified motor ( no generator part attached) but load at the free winding:
Same measurements like reference measurements.
I have no forcast what you will detect but you will have clear reference and decision later on

C) Measure modified motor (with generator part attached) load at generator:
Same measurements like reference measurements.

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This are the photos of the motor...

There are 18 slots at the brushes and 18 poles?

There are two big magnets inside too.


Ufo I have a question, is possible to short some sections of the brushes just for first trials?

How should i wind it? with the v shape like?


I noticed that i could instal a second brush set perpendiculary to the one here if i used less poles, would it be any good? Would i still need the two brushes on the separate parts?

PLEASE HeLP!!



Regards

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Sorry there are 4 magnets two at each side... But one of each of the sides is smaller...

Hello Dad Hav,

Very nice set-up there Dad Hav!!

Now, I have a couple of "Modes" for you whenever you give it a generous try to my Machines, if may I suggest...

I have prepared two Modes for you to test both of My Output possibilities, since My Asymmetric Machines offer connections other Arrangements can not...

I watch your video above, and since You've tried that connection, between Motor and Generator, not successful on Symmetrical as expected, I added at Second Mode, where you will be connecting just as you did on this video, plus my suggested in previous diagram, to save you time looking for image, since such busy thread, I facilitated by loading Image right here for you...

I must remind you that I have set the Input-Output connections as coming from linear sides of Embodiments, for sake of simplicity, however, this R/S Motors render it diagonally in reality. I also stated this on Diagram in Red.


Warm Regards


Ufopolitics


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The Dopeler Effect: the tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

The same winding contest was in Lockridge thread which ended with pictures of "look, mine is bigger". Although the second commutator gives the clever illusion that the missing piece of the puzzle was found, at core it is the same principle.

Because everyone loves Tesla while hardly understand his work, I'll give you his approach on your problem. TESLA PATENT 568,177 APPARATUS FOR PRODUCING OZONE. While most of the people were sniffing the ozone section, they missed Tesla's simplest method of achieving what you are aiming at.
It is the controller mounted on the motor's shaft.
No motor modifications and with timings easier to adjust. And I know, you simply ignored this jewellery you understand and love so much Tesla's work.

The same thing with better control and using electronic components was demonstrated by Bedini. Maybe that was the reason erfinder mentioned him...

At the end of the winding contest, when most of the followers have achieved replicating your idea, I can see the last line from "Finding Nemo" (the cartoon).
And again, maybe, erfinder was suggesting there is an exit from the endless loops of stating the "problem" and finding another "solution" as many others before.

But while we're all concerned to save humanity, it sure feels so good to flame a fellow researcher which happens not to agree with our views.
The witch is dead for a long time, is time to realise that and move on the next challenge.

Ufo,

This is my first post

Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge.

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Any idea?

Please?

barbosi

I suggest you re-read ufo's post :

My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

Out of interest an extra mechanical commutator was used by Tesla in his high frequency lighting circuit also. The point is ufo has stated that we should move away from that method and use the electronics now available to us which open up greater possibilities of control - which I believe he is now showing.


Regards

John

No Patrick, I saw your previous post as well. It was just a simple question. If JB's way is not producing usable power/torque, then what is it producing?

Do you have an issue with me using your name?


John K.

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When you punctuate a statement/question with a persons name in the manner you did (where I come from) it's as though you are belittling a person or challenging them (I also take this in the context of previous posts from you). Perhaps it is nothing to you then. Sorry you do not understand my posts - Redrichie got it.

Out of respect for UFO I will refrain from further jibber jabber.
feel free to PM

What really is going on here? I’ll take a semi-high road and take a shot to remediate what ails these pages.

I suspect after a great deal of work and sacrifices, UP wished to disclose the fruits of his labors as a gradual unfolding process - envision a flower opening. For starters he chose a motor that in the usa is almost universally available. To what end? Perhaps nothing more than an understanding of the dynamics of his windings and such. From there perhaps there were another several fill-in steps prior to the release his final work product.

Now because of his foreign and personally sophisticated, proud nature, he perhaps expected the process to be something like: information release, attempted replications, questions, problems resolved, next step replication, etc. Because of the considerable personal sacrifices it took for him to reach his erudite stage of understanding, he expected to be treated with a modicum of respect, certainly he expected that the questions or denunciations would come AFTER a person attempted to walk the "cheap" mile (stage 1) in his moccasins so to speak. Also, it is reasonable to believe he thought a mutually warm, thoughtful camaraderie would grow. And for most of us, this happened and is happening.

In the spirit of problem solving, I’m going to suggest some of you coldly look at what’s really been accomplished out there? Not to pick on anyone in particular but how about that flashing diode and some useless spinning coil in purdy Plexiglas? Oh, the Neumann monstrosity with two tons of copper in it? Try that replication! How about the Hyiq attempted replications of the meg? Not much hope for scale-up, is there? Ask him, he’ll tell you! How about that what, $30,000 (I think) ferris wheel. Does it drive anything commensurate to its size and expense? Wait, does it charge batteries? If so Rome burns but with well charged batteries – and sound systems… The list goes on and on and we know it. I have a suggestion, why don’t you handful of chiming-in “experts” give the process a chance to unfold to its destination and show your supposed good faith? Or replicate first after asking what the goal is in that particular replication. Get it through your skulls that it is a work in process (like the three batteries long term development?). For some of you out there, he (and the rest of us) have figured you out, please consider crawling back under the rock you came from, okay? Finally, please understand that American men are well known throughout the world for having physical "premature" issues (without a pill of course). Why don’t you guys cool off a bit and not confirm it is also a major mental issue also? Thanks.

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DESCRIPTION OF PATENT

1-INDEPENDENT ENERGIZING COILS...
2-IT IS OBVIOUSLY ONLY NECESSARY TO UTILIZE THEM IN PAIRS OR SETS TO OPERATE ONE OF MY CONVERTERS BY EXTENDING THE SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUTATORS BELONGING TO EACH PAIRS OF COILS AND CAUSING A COLLECTING BRUSH TO BEAR ON THE CONTINUOUS PORTION OF EACH SEGMENT.
3-IN THIS WAY TWO OR MORE CIRCUITS COULD BE TAKEN OFF FROM THE GENERATOR EACH INCLUDING ONE OR MORE PAIRS OR SETS OF COILS


CLAIMS

1-THE COMBINATION WITH A CONVERTER HAVING INDEPENDENT ENERGIZING COILS, OF A CONTINUOUS OR DIRECT CURRENT DYNAMO OR MAGNETO MACHINE AND INTERMEDIATE CIRCUITS PERMANENTLY CONNECTED AT SUITABLE POINTS TO THE INDUCED OR GENERATING COILS OF THE GENERATOR, AS HEREIN SET FORTH.

THE COMBINATION WITH A CONVERTER HAVING INDEPENDENT ENERGIZING CIRCUITS, OF A CONTINUOUS OR DIRECT CURRENT GENERATOR PROVIDED WITH CONTINUOUS COLLECTING-RINGS CONNECTED IN DERIVATION TO THE ARMATURE COILS TO FORM THE TERMINALS OF CIRCUITS CORRESPONDING TO THOSE OF THE CONVERTER, AS HEREIN SET FORTH.

Must of Tesla's Art related to Electrodynamic Machines, prevails the Asymmetry of Coils Disposition in a Non Series Arrangement, where He clearly States in All of them, the Independent Connections and Independently Energized Circuits-Coils as established in this Claims-Description of Main Embodiments.

Unfortunately Nikola Tesla's great Art was all Mutilated from all Engineering Schools in our Planet..that is a fact that no one could disagree here.

Therefore, all is left for Us...is to perform our own Privately Financed Study, Research and Development of what is left of Old Copies that date more than a Century ago...encrypted in a Non Easy Understandable Material that could NEVER be utilized as Teaching Material , but as Excessively Generally Explained Methods meeting the Legal Forms of Expression required by all Patent Offices around this Planet...now all "united" as one Organization through the PCT (Patent Commonwealth Treaty)

Tesla's Asymmetry not only is related to His Electrodynamics, but it extends to Transformers and Capacitors also shown on His Art.
None of them offers a Decay Oscillation Wave like Symmetry does but on the contrary, all of them are based on Gaining and Multiplication of Amplitude Delayed Waves.

Excellent researchers and Developers as MR. Tom Bearden, and MR. Vladimir Utkin back up all my statements cited above.

Refer to my previous Thread: Symmetric versus Asymmetric Electromagnetic Systems for direct links posted at the end of my Article.


Many regards


Ufopolitics

OK, data to report.

This is with BOTH motors connected to a standard motor as generator.
Standard motor 12,204 rpm at .82 amps and 12.3 volts
When the generator was put under load the amp usage jumped to 1.4 and the rpms dropped to 10,200 (That's a 58% increase in amp draw)
Generator output 7.2 volts at 7 amps under load of Sylvania 211-2 bulb attached to generator.

Modified motor 14862 rpm at 1.9 amps and 12.3 volts
Output from modified motor (not the generator) was 5.6 volts (not under load) and never got to measure amps.

When I applied the same light bulb as a load on the generator with the modified motor running it, the primary (modified) motor went up in smoke. As you will note on the package of the unmodified motor, the max amps for this little motor are 1.98 and I was at 1.9 without a load on the generator. When I applied a load, poof. One modified motor up in smoke. Since the standard motor had a 58% amp draw increase when the load was added to the generator, we COULD hypothesize that a 58% increase in amp draw (which would bring it up to 3 amps) is what smoked the motor, but I am not going to deal in conjecture while trying to accumulate data. I could also hypothesize that I shorted a wire, I wound the motor incorrectly, or any number of other issues.

I WANT to assume that POSSIBLY I did something wrong in the construction of my modified motor, therefore I will be testing another one as soon as I have it together.

These are not my opinions. These are the facts. I am doing my very best to accurately test what we have here and I hope some of you will do the same.

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That patent describes an AC rotating field generator, it uses AC in the field
and it produces AC from the armature. I don't think it has much to do with
a dynamotor or a DC motor. Everything is placed symmetrically.

It's a rotating field AC generator.

Dynamo Electric Machine Patent

Cheers

EDIT: Correction maybe lumpy DC does come from the exciter, and it is
possible to convert the output to DC by the use a different take off.

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Dear UFO. I'm surprised you still send me kind regards. It looks like there is still a chance we can get along. Thank you for taking the time with the illustrations. The thing I don't understand about the drawings is though: Do you expect that I would ever make two of these motors! Ha, I got Ya for a minute on that one. Or course I could if I where happy with what I saw on the first one, or I could send mine along to someone while I convert something a little more appropriate. I did realize that there would be a few connection options to play with with two motors. The video I made was only a quick reference for comparison but I foolishly forgot to check the RPM. Oh well.
John H.

Ok Dad Hav,

No problems, I will do it myself...in time.

Thanks anyways

Regards


Ufopolitics

Hello. It's good to see you're doing some serious testing but maybe I can make a suggestion. If you're gonna do a lot of experimenting you might want to think of a power supply that has current limiting. I got the two Lambda supplies I use in my videos for $87.00 I rarely get a hot wire since I got them. Just dial in the current limit you don't want to exceed, or maybe you could use a simple in line fuse. Sorry to hear about that setback.
John H.

PATENT #390 414 CLAIMS

1-THE COMBINATION WITH A CONVERTER HAVING INDEPENDENT ENERGIZING COILS, OF A CONTINUOUS OR DIRECT CURRENT DYNAMO OR MAGNETO MACHINE AND INTERMEDIATE CIRCUITS PERMANENTLY CONNECTED AT SUITABLE POINTS TO THE INDUCED OR GENERATING COILS OF THE GENERATOR, AS HEREIN SET FORTH.

THE COMBINATION WITH A CONVERTER HAVING INDEPENDENT ENERGIZING CIRCUITS, OF A CONTINUOUS OR DIRECT CURRENT GENERATOR PROVIDED WITH CONTINUOUS COLLECTING-RINGS CONNECTED IN DERIVATION TO THE ARMATURE COILS TO FORM THE TERMINALS OF CIRCUITS CORRESPONDING TO THOSE OF THE CONVERTER, AS HEREIN SET FORTH.



THE SCOPE OF ANY PATENT LEGAL PROTECTION IN THE PLANET EARTH, RELAYS MAINLY, ON ITS CLAIMS DESCRIPTION, NOT ON A GRAPHIC OR IMAGE.

Yes UFO I did already correct myself. Then it is a dynamotor you are making ?

Cheers

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YOU GUYS ARE WASTING MY TIME AND MY PATIENCE.

..BUT MAY BE ONE DAY WE ALL MEET IN PERSON...AND THEN LET'S SEE IF YOU BEHAVE THE SAME WAYS!!!

I BET YOU DON'T, I BETT ALL THIS BRAVERY, AND COURAGE AND CRAP IS JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE VERY FAR FROM ME...AND HIDING BEHIND A F** SCREEN LIKE A PUSSYCAT..BUT DEEP INSIDE YOU ARE ALL LIKE LITTLE GIRLS, VERY LITTLE AND FAR OF WHAT A REAL MAN TAKES TO PORTRAY



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Don't let these guys get up your nose.........Take a break......these guys are probaby getting to pay to annoy........

Hello Sebosfato,

Eighteen poles works with three as a base, use that prime three pole set up and distribute and learn the pattern module to scale it up...


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SORRY ABOUT IT

REGARDS

AND SORRY I AM UPSET, BUT I WILL GET "EVEN" I LOVE THAT...


UFOPOLITICS

I agree, don't let them get to you, just ignore them. You're doing some great work here, and it's appreciated by many many more people than that of the haters.

That said, as impressive as your videos are I still want to withhold judgement on whether this can be truly OU, and until I see can see something that is self running, but that's just me. I'm not saying it's not true or anything of the sort, I REALLY hope it is! Like when I saw those self running magnet motors in my thread, I had to replicate it before I got to excited just to see if they worked (which they didn't). I don't think there's anything wrong with honest questions about how we get this to reach OU.

I think I understand the theory behind this, but I'm no expert by any means, but I'm doing my best to learn more. Though people do need more evidence to see if this is OU, I don't think that's an unfair thing to ask, and I guess not everyone wants to or has the means to replicate this. For those people, they have to rely on the reports of others to replicate this.

Now back to my progress:

I've just got the modified RS motor hooked up and to my amazement it actually span (My amazement comes from the fact that this is my first attempt at every recoiling/building a motor)

However, I must have something wrong in my setup. The motor ran with very little torch, and very quickly my 9V batter started to get HOT! So I disconnected it and never even bothered to take any readings as that doesn't sound right to me.

Thanks again UFO

UFO, I am not afraid of s#1t. And I haven't seen anything wrong with anything you have done or posted. It is your rigt to do so. In he event (which I'm not saying you are) you were to mislead anyone it is your right. Out can do that. e you telling me you are receiving personal threats through your IP? Please post post them. I swear to everything if this is true I will never post or even read a single thing on this forum again. I will never look at another product that is advertised here and I will cancel any services associated with this forum. Here that moderators?I suggest investigations are issued if this is true.

It is not from this Forum redrichie..no, not from here

What do you hope to achieve through meeting someone who wants to see measurable results of devices that are claimed to be able to save the world or whatever? You are going to bring them to your lab and personally show them everything? Ah of course, that would make perfect sense

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If he is getting threats (please do post them Ufo) they might not have necessarily got them from his IP through mods on the forum, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Ufo has posted his personal email on this forum a few times, and that's open to anon users (btw, Ufo that's never a good idea, it opens you up to all kinds of spam bots to say the least). They also could have gotten his IP from his webserver, though it might not be his home PC IP, but that's an easy thing to do. Either way it would not directly translate to an email address from an IP.

NOT EXACTLY THAT DR GREEN...I WANT TO MEET THEM ALL...I FEEL SOME KIND OF A DESIRE TO DO SO...