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Hi Ufopolitics

If the permanent magnets on the small motor were to be replaced by 2 field coils, how would they be wired up? I can see that by putting the field coils in series with the motor brushes that would give the correct timing, but I'm not sure whether that would create excessive sparking at the commutator when the field is de-energized? Or as the brush can cover 2 commutator segments maybe this is not a problem as the field always has circuit to follow?

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Many thanks

John

Good morning John,

I have done that in other Models, You are right about Series connection between Stator Fields and Armature Coils...So, I will tell you the way I have done it and why...it is a great question for TODAY...

I have been able to move the Asymmetrical Armature just by Pulsing the Stator Fields and simultaneously, the Brushes Input, but in Parallel, this way signal gets evenly distributed at both Machine Circuits, not having to suffer the Coils resistance or get noise from EM (Electro-Magnetic...NOT Electro-Motive)Fields...

The Parallel connection between Stator-Armature is also more suitable, in further disclosure I will make on a different type of Asymmetric Stator concept...where I will show my Model open...no Frame covered, running...and "No Two Field Coils" like you've said...I'm sick of Symmetry!!!...

And finally my Dear Friend, there, I will close the Loop...The Loop between my first Post here...where we were "the "silly guys" lighting up "not that great of a deal"... CFL,s and Neon's...with a single Coil and a couple of diodes...watching like little kids...that little beautiful Purple-White Plasma light...


Well, We ALL, will see "The Bigger Picture" then...

We are getting close to the end, my friend, and I feel a great relief being able to complete/download (at least in a pretty big area of most important coverage) of this Disclosure...it has been a long road...but I can see that Purple light getting brighter and brighter...


Regards to All


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Regarding reversal or not we need to decern two possibilities of reversing a magnetic field.
1. We can fight frontally against and will have the effect like shaking a heavy flywheel in our hands. In the end we can force a nail into wood if we use this wheel as a hammer. - Not very smart. Shure, we get a reversal but in the expense of discarding all energy stored before and filling another new chunk of energy again and again.

2. We can reverse polarity by rotating the field in another direction. So we get a reversal without depletig the magnetic energy before. We opreate a flywheel in a genuine art.

@Ufo and Lamare: Is there a common view here?
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Yes, that is about the idea. It is very hard to connect al the dots theoretically, but I see a certain analogy with Milkovic' pendulum:

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovic

I appears to me that the way UFO is working, is indeed much more like working with the already present field of the permanent magnet, instead of fighting it frontally.

Just like with Milkovic' pendulum, you are fiddling with the balance of the system, which enables you to extract energy out of a "DC" field, either a permanent magnetic field or the gravity field in Milkovic' case.

I suspect that when you analyze this completely trough, it can somehow be seen as "parameter variation", whereby you vary some aspect of a system by which you introduce asymmetry. This means that you have an oscillating system (rotation is one form of oscillation) whereby you change a parameter, like for example the inductance or capacitance of the oscillator or in the case of Milovic the length of the long arm.

The idea is then that the changing of that parameter takes you very little energy, while it introduces a disbalance in the oscillator which enables the oscillator to pick up energy from the aether. That is what Bearden refers to as "regauging".

This has been theoretically described in Russian by Mandelstam and Papalexi in the 1930s, a/o referred to by Dollard, which has been recently translated:

Directory contents of /pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/

In the case of these motors, you have a rotor which is asymmetric. Since the field of the PM is DC, but it is a dynamic force, it looks like you influence the path the field of the PM takes by means of firing a coil on the rotor.

As far as I can tell, there is one pole that is (almost) completely within the PM, while there are two that are in a process of magnetizing/demagnetizing because of leaving/entering the PM. Since the PM is DC and there is one pole (almost) completely within the PM's influence, the magnetizing/demagnetizing of the other poles must be (largely) in balance.

Now since you influence this balance by the firing of the coil and the PM is DC, it appears you can see that influencing as some parameter change indeed. You could perhaps see it as akin to lowering the "magnetic resistance" of the pole you want to be attacked by the PM.

So, I do see some theoritical basis on why this system could be COP > 1, but I doubt if you will be able to make it self running just on the generator windings alone. Because if indeed the working principle is parameter change, then all the energy you can get back from the generator winding is the energy spent on changing the parameter, the "magnetic conductivity" of one of the poles.

However, that pole is rotating within a magnetic field of the PM, which makes things very complicated. So, there are also arguments that the rotator coils could pick up some energy from that field. However, if the motor is properly constructed, the idea is that most of the magnetic force is turned into useable torque.

To sum this up: I do see some very interesting possibilities that this design might cause a revolution, but practice will have to tell. Theory can only get you so far....
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Hello Ufo and all,

This is a video of my 5 pole asymmetric motor replication
It can be found here Replication of Ufopolitics 5 pole asymmetric motor by netica. Video 3 - YouTube

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Hmmm, By the time I made the mods on the lithe motor, there was not enough shaft sticking out to connect anything to. So can't connect to another motor or run any kind of load. I now have three other little motors besides the modified one, so could do all kinds of things, but unless I can attach to the shaft of the modified motor, I am a little stumped. Can't even measure the rpm's. Does anyone else have a shaft that is sticking out at all? Any suggestions guys?

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Turion,

What about completely pressing out the shaft from the sacrificed motor and then pressing the shaft halfway out of the good motor. Then insert the new shaft in half way? May need to glue both shafts. If that works, it opens up an easy way to do multiple hookups as UfoPolitics has laid out.

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Good morning John,

I have done that in other Models, You are right about Series connection between Stator Fields and Armature Coils...So, I will tell you the way I have done it and why...it is a great question for TODAY...

I have been able to move the Asymmetrical Armature just by Pulsing the Stator Fields and simultaneously, the Brushes Input, but in Parallel, this way signal gets evenly distributed at both Machine Circuits, not having to suffer the Coils resistance or get noise from EM (Electro-Magnetic...NOT Electro-Motive)Fields...

The Parallel connection between Stator-Armature is also more suitable, in further disclosure I will make on a different type of Asymmetric Stator concept...where I will show my Model open...no Frame covered, running...and "No Two Field Coils" like you've said...I'm sick of Symmetry!!!...

And finally my Dear Friend, there, I will close the Loop...The Loop between my first Post here...where we were "the "silly guys" lighting up "not that great of a deal"... CFL,s and Neon's...with a single Coil and a couple of diodes...watching like little kids...that little beautiful Purple-White Plasma light...


Well, We ALL, will see "The Bigger Picture" then...

We are getting close to the end, my friend, and I feel a great relief being able to complete/download (at least in a pretty big area of most important coverage) of this Disclosure...it has been a long road...but I can see that Purple light getting brighter and brighter...


Regards to All


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Ufopolitics

Many thanks for the reply.

Would I be correct in saying, that a mechanical way to pulse, would be by attaching another commutator onto the shaft, mounted external to the motor body, with say 100 bars, which would chop the incoming signal to the motor, which could then go to the stator / armature?


We are all looking forward to seeing the purple light - and thank you so much for your generosity.

Regards

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Romero is a good friend...

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Thank you ufopolitics for all you have shared. I hope you can release everything you know as quick as possible to stop the powers that be from visiting you. If everbody knows what you do, you will not be visited like romero was. please take care and thank you again for your great knowledge

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Thanks Ron,

I appreciate your concern, my friend...

However I am a crazy "breed"...so, for some reason, I am very quiet, and calmed...maybe because most is done...and whatever is missing, is so well distributed all over our beautiful Planet...in places no one could ever imagine...that if I miss to "report" for a bit...it will burst worst than now...

So, be it...


Romero left me a very nice uplifting message on my Channel...we are both subscribed to each-others...like good Youtubers...


Regards



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Beautiful Work!!!

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Hello Ufo and all,

This is a video of my 5 pole asymmetric motor replication
It can be found here Replication of Ufopolitics 5 pole asymmetric motor by netica. Video 3 - YouTube

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BEAUTIFUUUUUL!!!


GO NETICA GO!!!

YES!!!Lovely WORK!!, Excellent DEMO!!!



By the way lovely soldering!!...



You have that motor "tuned" excellently well!!...grrrreat!!!



Yes, great output, great Torque, super high RPM's...I mean, what else could we ask for,- so far- from such a little motor??!!



Thanks a million Netica!!!



Awesome work!!


Warm regards friend!!


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...Now I need to know positioning of brushes plane versus Stators disposition ...are planes parallel or perpendicular? ....
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Hi Ufo,
thanks for your effort and help.
The brushes are aligned with the magent flow of the stator magents - this I understand as "perpendicular". This means that at the gap line between the bent magents there is no brush.
BTW: the brushes are some degrees deviated from real perpendicualar line so the direction of rotation may matter.
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Test Data

Hi All

Here’s my data from this morning 3 hour run, with the jump lead between the motor –ve and the generator +.

Initial Batt voltage off load - 9.49v 1058hrs

Start on load:
7.84v 1058 hrs
8.04v 1110 hrs
8.05v 1127 hrs
8.08/8.07v 1145 hrs
8.02v 1210 hrs
8.02v 1228 hrs
7.98v 1310 hrs
7.91v 1400 hrs

Batt off load resting 8.02v 1400 hrs
9.28v 1413 hrs
9.41v 1440 hrs
9.44/9.55v 1500 hrs
9.49v* 1550 hrs * same as start voltage

Amp draw during run about 0.7amp and output of gen 13.71 v.

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Ufopolitics

Many thanks for the reply.

Would I be correct in saying, that a mechanical way to pulse, would be by attaching another commutator onto the shaft, mounted external to the motor body, with say 100 bars, which would chop the incoming signal to the motor, which could then go to the stator / armature?


We are all looking forward to seeing the purple light - and thank you so much for your generosity.

Regards

John

Hello John,


No John...We will be moving away from the "Old Fashion" mechanical contacts thanks to the great development of Electronics Systems...This machines do NOT NEED any more the so called "Fly Wheel Diodes, Snubbers or Chokes Circuit PATCHING " that We all have been using "SO FAR" to keep Radiant Trapped...and damaging highly sensitive components any more...This machines can CLEARLY COMMUNICATE at the same language levels as their Servers-Clients Protocols Networking..

It was about TIME, to move away from "short circuiting old machines"...it was about time to get rid of Symmetry...that's enough with almost a Century and a Half...

It is TIME to start the opposite process for our EVOLUTION as a NEW PLANET....A NEW AGE...a NEW GOLDEN AGE FOR HUMANITY...It is TIME We look at each others as Brothers and Sisters all over the Earth...to break all Transporting, and other limiting frontiers, established to profit from our Race Destiny...


IT IS ABOUT A TIME FOR A PLANET WIDE, ASYMMETRIZATION PROCESS...



And no one would stop it...EVER MORE



It is COMPLETELY UP TO ALL OF YOU, NOW...TO MAKE IT A REALITY...I have done my work..."They can take ME NOW"...



I promise I will say "goodbye" somehow...



Regards John



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Yes, that is about the idea. It is very hard to connect al the dots theoretically, but I see a certain analogy with Milkovic' pendulum:

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovic

I appears to me that the way UFO is working, is indeed much more like working with the already present field of the permanent magnet, instead of fighting it frontally.

Just like with Milkovic' pendulum, you are fiddling with the balance of the system, which enables you to extract energy out of a "DC" field, either a permanent magnetic field or the gravity field in Milkovic' case.

I suspect that when you analyze this completely trough, it can somehow be seen as "parameter variation", whereby you vary some aspect of a system by which you introduce asymmetry. This means that you have an oscillating system (rotation is one form of oscillation) whereby you change a parameter, like for example the inductance or capacitance of the oscillator or in the case of Milovic the length of the long arm.

The idea is then that the changing of that parameter takes you very little energy, while it introduces a disbalance in the oscillator which enables the oscillator to pick up energy from the aether. That is what Bearden refers to as "regauging".

This has been theoretically described in Russian by Mandelstam and Papalexi in the 1930s, a/o referred to by Dollard, which has been recently translated:

Directory contents of /pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/

In the case of these motors, you have a rotor which is asymmetric. Since the field of the PM is DC, but it is a dynamic force, it looks like you influence the path the field of the PM takes by means of firing a coil on the rotor.

As far as I can tell, there is one pole that is (almost) completely within the PM, while there are two that are in a process of magnetizing/demagnetizing because of leaving/entering the PM. Since the PM is DC and there is one pole (almost) completely within the PM's influence, the magnetizing/demagnetizing of the other poles must be (largely) in balance.

Now since you influence this balance by the firing of the coil and the PM is DC, it appears you can see that influencing as some parameter change indeed. You could perhaps see it as akin to lowering the "magnetic resistance" of the pole you want to be attacked by the PM.

So, I do see some theoritical basis on why this system could be COP > 1, but I doubt if you will be able to make it self running just on the generator windings alone. Because if indeed the working principle is parameter change, then all the energy you can get back from the generator winding is the energy spent on changing the parameter, the "magnetic conductivity" of one of the poles.

However, that pole is rotating within a magnetic field of the PM, which makes things very complicated. So, there are also arguments that the rotator coils could pick up some energy from that field. However, if the motor is properly constructed, the idea is that most of the magnetic force is turned into useable torque.

To sum this up: I do see some very interesting possibilities that this design might cause a revolution, but practice will have to tell. Theory can only get you so far....


Good Morn Lamare!!


It is great Day to see you around my dear friend!!...And also great We both coincide thanks to "Mediator-Negotiator" MR. John Stone here...

I like your concepts as I can see you have a better understanding now of "some" part of my System...

However, let me tell you that I responded to you in a previous conversation...where you said my "Witch" sucks... ...Oh yes She Sucks !!...and You are completely right about that... , and I mention about my proof about Magnetic Fields shifting...but I guess you did not pay attention to that part...while watching "witches"...

I still see that You are looking at my System as a "Handicap" by Permanent Magnet Stators "Limited" use, as the "Only Way Out" / Not Scalable"...System...

That is a very limited and narrow thinking my Dear friend ...However, I will give you "the Benefit of the Doubt" here...and say that because it is a new Technology, with so many "unlimited options"...there could be many "other possibilities" that could have "escaped" from anyone's sight...

I have designed Asymmetric Armatures in so many different flavors and colors...I have gone back to Sacred Geometry 3D Space relations...I have gone through most of Tesla's Great Art, related to Asymmetrical Electro Dynamic Machines and Asymmetrical Transformers and Capacitors...You can see in my videos how I can dominate Rendering so easily beautiful 3D Engineering Designs, mixed with great 'Artistic' Textures, illumination and so many Perspective Angles of View.. and You "really" think, that I "was" going to keep my Entire System limited, by the only use of Permanent Magnets or even Dual "Symmetrical" Stator Fields in my Design Dear Lamare?!

There is so much more to this Lamare...and it relates to a Field of Study where most of Us are at the "Pamper Stage"...just like little newborns...

This great and divine Beauty, is called Radiant Energy, my dear friend...SHE, manifests lovely into The Asymmetrical Universe, that is HER WORLD...and not the symmetry of shadows and darkness...


In this Asymmetrical World that I have designed "just for HER"...Oh Lamare!!...She makes things beyond understanding by Our Classic Physics...She has "Laws" that for Us are completely "Science Fiction"...or "Nonsensical" manifestations of an "Ignorant in Science"....well, maybe in the Science that we all learned at a 50%...of its entirety...being "generous" in percentages here...

She travels through air...like our Hot Flux will never do...without the Steel Lamination's...She Induces Electrical Flow in so many different "fashions"...but with so many different concepts...If you only knew...dear Lamare...


But it is Ok...You will do, very soon.


Warm regards


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Hello UFO and everyone,

Just got home last night ufo, and couldn't wait to get that motor wound. Had to wind twice, but I got it working.
It worked great with 5v, 1 amp input.

So today I'm, gonna start playing with the oscillator. I still want to get that HV, High side opto going, but today, I gotta play with the low side and hi/lo, low voltage, this is so interesting.

Thanks again UFO

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HELLO TO ALL OF YOU !!!


You Guys are doing an EXCELLENT WORK!!...And I need to congratulate you endlessly on your BIG EFFORT, PATIENCE and TRUST in me...This makes me feel great and gives me lots of JOY!!

You are proving that My System Works, and that is a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE, when it comes to the fact, We are all living in a very "Untrusted World"...

Therefore I need ALL of You, to make videos, with all possible Documentation included as Diagrams, CAD's and ALL OF YOU , have all MY Permission to CUT, EDIT AND INCLUDE parts of ALL MY TRACKS on MY CHANNEL's VIDEOS to Include Them into Your TESTING VIDEOS

Figure like You are NOT making this Videos just for this Forum here...BUT, to be seen by someone who have NO IDEA of what is going ON HERE...PLEASE!!

This WILL GIVES US ALL a GREAT RELIEF and SECURITY that this TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT BE EVER MORE SUPPRESSED!!


As I want US ALL to EXCHANGE as VIDEO RESPONSES to My Video Asymmetry to Enlightenment...As I will return and also Video Respond with my Videos...This "Exchange" of Networking will MAKE THIS VIRAL and WAKE UP OUR WORLD...Go FACEBOOK, GO TWITTER GO ANY WHERE YOU WANT...but please help me on this...

REALPLAYER Software is FREE, and ALLOWS to copy You Tube Videos and get them in your Hard Drives, The Main PART OF MY ASYMMETRY VIDEO DISCLOSURE on ASYMMETRY is located exactly at 10:40 of Track


As for other Members and Visitors Here, watching and reading ME here...please DO THE SAME, COPY, SHARE, EMBED, DISTRIBUTE EVERYTHING ASAP!!


YOU ALL HAVE MY TOTAL PERMISSION OVER ALL MATERIAL DISCLOSED HERE AND EVERYWHERE ON THIS NETWORKS WORLDWIDE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT REAL



LET'S MAKE 2012 "THE SEASON OF THE WITCH HUNTING"!!



Thanks a MILLION!!


Regards to ALL


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Hi Ufo and all

Special congratulation to John-g and Netica, for the great work.

Netica you seems to get a really amazing result in your gen. Perhaps a shematic of your connection . Thank's.

For my update, i dismanteled the motor and i grinded the side of the flange brush holders , so i can rotate them to better tune.

The result is outstanding by a rotation of about 10 degree, my motor start alone each time, the amp draw is more than the half than before , and the torque is much higher. But my generator voltage stays at EG 3,6 volts for an input of 4.5 volts. I do not dare going higher than 6 volt without the propeller installed because the rpm is really wizzling.

So now the motor is glued and i will keep it like this as my shool motor and i probably will give a go to a 3 poles asymotor.

Good luck at all

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witch killin' video

UFO,

Sorry ufo, here's a video of the r/s motor with 5 v input.

The witch killer.3gp - YouTube

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Turion and others,
I had the same issue with the shaft.
What I did, was tap the shaft, from the good end, flush with the Com. and
then using a die crinder cut it flush with the opposite side.
Then I used a small punch to push in back into the lamitations, half way.
This allows you to insert the shaft from your other motor in to meet it.
I dont know if there is any magnetic flow threw the shaft so I made sure
they contact each other.
I am not finished winding but will be done soon and will post if it worked or not.

I do have a observation, when widing in this pattern. It appears that P4 and P5.
of UFO five pole motor, will have a longer wire because it has to travel further
around the other winding. Also the motor will be slighty out of balance.
The only way I see around this is to wind P1 thru P5 (NORTH) all at the same time,
and the P1-P5 (SOUTH) at the same time.
Sound like alot more work, but should be better balanced for larger motors.

Just my 3 cents worth.

Asymmetric motor pictures by AMP2000 - Photobucket

Here is a link to my Photo bucket, with a few pictures, and a couple of a
1941 Dyna motor. Both motor and generator. They had the right idea but
didn't get the winding right, I am sure..

Made by Western Electric with an input of 14v 6.5 amp and output of 375v .150amps..
Mark



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Turion,

What about completely pressing out the shaft from the sacrificed motor and then pressing the shaft halfway out of the good motor. Then insert the new shaft in half way? May need to glue both shafts. If that works, it opens up an easy way to do multiple hookups as UfoPolitics has laid out.

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Good Morn Lamare!!


It is great Day to see you around my dear friend!!...And also great We both coincide thanks to "Mediator-Negotiator" MR. John Stone here...

I like your concepts as I can see you have a better understanding now of "some" part of my System...

However, let me tell you that I responded to you in a previous conversation...where you said my "Witch" sucks... ...Oh yes She Sucks !!...and You are completely right about that... , and I mention about my proof about Magnetic Fields shifting...but I guess you did not pay attention to that part...while watching "witches"...
The most fundamental issue regarding all seemingly OU systems is that there MUST be at least TWO separate energy flows, whereby one flow comes for free and the other one is used to influence the energy flow that comes for free. The law of conservation of energy is a fundamental one and it does hold.

So, in whatever machine is created that appears to generate energy out of nothing, there is an energy source that is being tapped.

One of the most simple free energy system are the commercially available heat pumps, which are used to extract heat out of the earth. The trick is that it takes less energy to operate the energy pump than the amount of energy which is extracted in the form of heat out of the earth.

For electro-magnetic systems, the interesting fact described by Prof. Turtur ( http://www.gsjournal.net/old/physics/turtur1e.pdf ) is that both the electrostatic and magnetic fields are powered by charge carriers, electrons in practice, which convert energy out of the medium into these fields. So, there you have your energy source. Both the magnetic and electric fields can be considered to be energy sources, because they are powered by the medium or the vacuum in Bearden's terms.

Now in a closed electric system, there is a fixed amount of electrons (even though these can probably be created at will, which appears to actually happen in the heated element of a radio tube, but that's another story), which means that however you let these electrons flow in/out your battery, you can never gain energy, unless you manage to tap it from some other energy source.

So, as long as you keep thinking in terms of charging/discharging coil (windings) as isolated systems, there ain't no way you can account for any surplus energy. And that is the reason I said your witch sucked.

However, when you have two separate energy flows, you can use one energy flow to influence the other, without paying for that in terms of energy, except for some losses. And since mother nature always strives to return balance, all you need to do is bring a dynamic balanced system out of balance in order for some energy flow to do useful work.

The bad news is that this will always cost you some energy, but as long as at the end of the line you manage to get more energy back from mother nature as the energy you have to spend in order to get it, all is nice and well.


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I still see that You are looking at my System as a "Handicap" by Permanent Magnet Stators "Limited" use, as the "Only Way Out" / Not Scalable"...System...

That is a very limited and narrow thinking my Dear friend ...However, I will give you "the Benefit of the Doubt" here...and say that because it is a new Technology, with so many "unlimited options"...there could be many "other possibilities" that could have "escaped" from anyone's sight...
It definitely helps a lot to start studying a system with a PM stator, because then you know that the PM field does not vary (much) in strength, which makes it possible to recognize that there are two interacting magnetic fields. One created by your stator and one by your rotor coils.

However, the principle that a magnetic field can be amplified and guided by an iron core also applies to electro-magnetic stators. If they are D.C., then the same line of reasoning still applies. If they are A.C., things get more complicated, but if a large part of the magnetic field trough the rotor originates from the stator magnets and it is to a large degree only re-directed from one pole to the next by your rotor coil, then the energy flows can probably still be considered to be separate to a large degree.

However, there are still a lot of questions about how magnetic fields behave in an iron core. Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder demonstrates that even when the coil around a closed-loop iron core is being disconnected from a battery, the magnetism can remain inside the core.

Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder
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Researchers have continued to be interested in this device because it defies natural laws of physics and is unexplainable by conventionally excepted electromagnetic theory. Modern science says it is impossible, but Edward Leedsklanin's theory says it is simple, natural, and that it's workings are misunderstood because there are some important aspects in the foundations of science being taught in schools that are wrong

And in one of his lectures (iirc together with Carlson), Eric Dollard shows that we still do not really understand how a transformer actually works. If the magnetic field stays within the core, how can it influence a coil wrapped around it?

It appears to me that the answer is to be found once again in balance v.s. disbalance. I suspect that the magnetic field inside an iron core only interacts with it's environment (like a coil) when there is some disbalance being introduced, either by a coil or by ripping the iron core apart, such as in the Leedskalnin experiment.


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I have designed Asymmetric Armatures in so many different flavors and colors...I have gone back to Sacred Geometry 3D Space relations...I have gone through most of Tesla's Great Art, related to Asymmetrical Electro Dynamic Machines and Asymmetrical Transformers and Capacitors...You can see in my videos how I can dominate Rendering so easily beautiful 3D Engineering Designs, mixed with great 'Artistic' Textures, illumination and so many Perspective Angles of View.. and You "really" think, that I "was" going to keep my Entire System limited, by the only use of Permanent Magnets or even Dual "Symmetrical" Stator Fields in my Design Dear Lamare?!

There is so much more to this Lamare...and it relates to a Field of Study where most of Us are at the "Pamper Stage"...just like little newborns...

This great and divine Beauty, is called Radiant Energy, my dear friend...SHE, manifests lovely into The Asymmetrical Universe, that is HER WORLD...and not the symmetry of shadows and darkness...


In this Asymmetrical World that I have designed "just for HER"...Oh Lamare!!...She makes things beyond understanding by Our Classic Physics...She has "Laws" that for Us are completely "Science Fiction"...or "Nonsensical" manifestations of an "Ignorant in Science"....well, maybe in the Science that we all learned at a 50%...of its entirety...being "generous" in percentages here...

She travels through air...like our Hot Flux will never do...without the Steel Lamination's...She Induces Electrical Flow in so many different "fashions"...but with so many different concepts...If you only knew...dear Lamare...


But it is Ok...You will do, very soon.


Warm regards


Ufopolitics

Tesla was about the only one that really left the "Pamper Stage" behind him, but we are catching up with him slowly but surely, because people like you openly share their ideas and accomplishments, instead of working in the old "closed" paradigm of me, me, me wherein people patent their inventions, and the government subsequently locks them behind closed doors never to be seen again.

Looking forward to learning more and more together with everyone here!



BTW, I usually call "radiant energy" "the aether", just like our hero:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of Very High Frequency and Their Application to Methods of Artificial Illumination"

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Still so true, more than a hundred years later.

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Lovely WORK!!!

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Turion and others,
I had the same issue with the shaft.
What I did, was tap the shaft, from the good end, flush with the Com. and
then using a die crinder cut it flush with the opposite side.
Then I used a small punch to push in back into the lamitations, half way.
This allows you to insert the shaft from your other motor in to meet it.
I dont know if there is any magnetic flow threw the shaft so I made sure
they contact each other.
I am not finished winding but will be done soon and will post if it worked or not.

I do have a observation, when widing in this pattern. It appears that P4 and P5.
of UFO five pole motor, will have a longer wire because it has to travel further
around the other winding. Also the motor will be slighty out of balance.
The only way I see around this is to wind P1 thru P5 (NORTH) all at the same time,
and the P1-P5 (SOUTH) at the same time.
Sound like alot more work, but should be better balanced for larger motors.

Just my 3 cents worth.

Asymmetric motor pictures by AMP2000 - Photobucket

Here is a link to my Photo bucket, with a few pictures, and a couple of a
1941 Dyna motor. Both motor and generator. They had the right idea but
didn't get the winding right, I am sure..

Made by Western Electric with an input of 14v 6.5 amp and output of 375v .150amps..
Mark

Excellent and LOVELY WORK!!!

It is so Nice , so very nice to see You all making it HAPPEN!!!!


Thank you, thank you!!


Regards


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If your shaft is not going to be long enough....

1. When you have the motor apart and just have the piece you are going to take the commutator off of...

2.Drill a hole through a 2x4 (through the 3 1/2 width) a little larger than the shaft of the motor.

3.Put a small washer on the motor shaft that will slide easily and stick the shaft of the "parts" piece into ithe hole in the wood with the commutator side away from the 2x4, and put it in a vise. It will rest against the washer on one side and the end of its shaft against the vise on the other if you have it right. (I ended up using a piece of steel here because the washer just bent!)

4. Then crank down on the vise and it will push the shaft out of the motor into the hole in the 2x4. When the shaft gets "flush" on one side, insert a finishing nail about the same diameter (but smaller) than the shaft and keep going. You may need to use the finishing nail like a punch and drive the shaft out with a hammer. Make sure you have a solid backing with a small hole for the shaft (only) to go through before you hit that nail with a hammer. I used a piece of steel here too.

5. Eventually the part (commutator) you want will drop onto the finishing nail and you can stop and take it out. Put the piece back in and repeat this process until you have pushed the shaft completely out. You will need it.

6. Now repeat steps 3 and 4 with the GOOD piece only this time with the commutator side against the washer and use the shaft you got out of the parts piece instead of the finishing nail. Only push the shaft HALFWAY out of the piece and the new shaft halfway in. Now you have a shaft in your motor long enough to connect loads on either or BOTH ends.

7. Assembly will be easy once you have put the two motor cases together, but do NOT solder the cases together yet!!!! Stick the rewound piece into the case and slide the brush pieces onto either end. Rotate them until the notches in the plastic line up and they go together that last little bit. Now hold on to one of the cases and rotate the other until the external connectors are aligned directly across from one another. Test continuity like UFO does in his video to make sure you are all good before bonding the two cases together. Mark the cases and take everything back out before you weld it if that is what you are going to do. I used two part epoxy on mine and clamped it to a board using the holders they put around electrical conduit to secure it to 2x4's during construction while the epoxy was drying. Those clamps fit EXACTLY around those little motors so clamping it to a board holds it in perfect alignment even if your cutting and grinding job was NOT perfect. I used one of those clamps for two hours to run the motor WITHOUT bonding it together and it worked great. Maybe I should have just left it that way! LOL

I cut a slot in the board because I put two poker chips glued together (to give it some width and stability) on the shaft so I could put on a piece of reflecting tape and get an rpm measurement, and it would hit against the board without the slot in it. I drilled a hole and then cut the slot with a jig saw. I will do the same with a"stock" motor.

Hope this helps out.

Hey, I just read through all the posts and saw that several of you recommended doing something exactly like this. I guess great minds think alike. Thanks for all those suggestions guys. This is the step by step I used.

Here's a pic of the rotor with both shafts in it and both commutator sections on it. BE WARNED. If you do this, the shaft needs to be sanded with emory cloth quite a bit because it is trying to fit through those bushings on the end in a new place, and it must turn freely. If you wil notice, the bushings spin easily on the shafts at the ends, but not further in. If you just put it all back together and expect it to work, it won't. In fact, it won't even turn!! The voce of experience speaking here! I stuck one end of the shaft in my battery powered drill, which doesn't have the high rpms of the plug in drill, and pinched the other end of the shaft between 100 grit sandpaper, then used emory cloth to polish it it when it was turning (but difficultly) in the right spot.

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Cool Very Cool My Friend!!!

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UFO,

Sorry ufo, here's a video of the r/s motor with 5 v input.

The witch killer.3gp - YouTube

Thug
Excellent little "Baby" there!!!
But STILL is a Heck of a Witch Killer...

Btw...I Love the Poem you've made....

Didn't know you have those skills also....

Yeah, I have a MOTOR, You Guys are gonna love...it is the LAST of the "Mohicans" Built in USA...last of Brushed Motors still in production, that We can still Convert...and that nice pretty Big Baby...could Drive a CAR, or a Pick Up Truck...I will post all reference for all of You guys to check it out...or get it ordered...and as a Matter of fact...the Frame is so big...it does not need to be cut...or weld...
The only thing to do to it, besides strip the Symmetric Crap, is to pull the "Cooling Fan"(I did it with a Steering Wheel Automotive Pulley)...But ...We do not need it any more right??...Our Motors don't heat up...so...Goodbye Fan...

And more...We can buy ALL PARTS WE NEED separate...Like extra Housing's Cap, Brush Housings, Brushes separate...Bearings...Extra Commutators ...I mean...The WORKS!

It has 28 Poles Armature and 56 Element Commutator huge and smooth machined...Four Big Permanent Stator and four set of nicely displayed brush system...I mean...a winner for Heavy Duty Vehicle Transport testing...

I also have the CAD to convert it...

I will post some pic's of it disassembled later on...it was originally a 5 HP 36V Beauty...
But...well...Only You Guys could imagine what we could do with it...


Regards


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Thank you ufopolitics for all you have shared. I hope you can release everything you know as quick as possible to stop the powers that be from visiting you. If everbody knows what you do, you will not be visited like romero was. please take care and thank you again for your great knowledge

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Ditto - I get very concerned when anyone announces they have something important to release and everyone already knows that person is very knowledgeable. It's a setup for a visit from those who will lose big if the info gets out so at the very least UFO needs to have a backup of a number of people who will announce this if anything should happen and he needs to make that clear right here and soon that there is backup in place. Best thing would be to simply release the info because a visit from the wrong people might coerce info of who has his backup. Sorry for the rather dark thoughts on this but it has happened way to many times in the past. And motor ideas seem to be a bigger target than most other ideas since apparently motors have the potential to make real power without any exotic material or construction techniques.
I see UFO responded to your post and I think I get that he has backup in a way and I think I understand something he has said regarding that. Anyway I will see this as all going smoothly and all will be well. So be it and so it is. ∞ Φ
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Dual Top Set Commutators Cgi...

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Here is another way of making this possible, with Dual Commutators set above the Embodiment, however, lots more work on Commutator Side/Wiring's.

This CGI, is from a 3D Animation CAD from a long time ago...when trying to get the BOSCH Motor going...

Typically Motors connected to Power Trains of Vehicles put a lot of vibration and mechanical stress on the Drive Shaft/Differential side, therefore Brushes-contacts suffers lot's of vibration..ending up in possible bad contacts...So, the "remedy" would be this design.


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ufo,

Is there anything you haven't built? No matter what we do or say, you have already been there, and done it.
Should I bother working with the hi/Lo optics, because, I think you already have the schematics. .?

I also feel, like ewizard, you need protection, but you probably have your own haarp weapon.

Peace and love ( even you lamare)

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Excellent little "Baby" there!!!
But STILL is a Heck of a Witch Killer...

Btw...I Love the Poem you've made....

Didn't know you have those skills also....

Yeah, I have a MOTOR, You Guys are gonna love...it is the LAST of the "Mohicans" Built in USA...last of Brushed Motors still in production, that We can still Convert...and that nice pretty Big Baby...could Drive a CAR, or a Pick Up Truck...I will post all reference for all of You guys to check it out...or get it ordered...and as a Matter of fact...the Frame is so big...it does not need to be cut...or weld...
The only thing to do to it, besides strip the Symmetric Crap, is to pull the "Cooling Fan"(I did it with a Steering Wheel Automotive Pulley)...But ...We do not need it any more right??...Our Motors don't heat up...so...Goodbye Fan...

And more...We can buy ALL PARTS WE NEED separate...Like extra Housing's Cap, Brush Housings, Brushes separate...Bearings...Extra Commutators ...I mean...The WORKS!

It has 28 Poles Armature and 56 Element Commutator huge and smooth machined...Four Big Permanent Stator and four set of nicely displayed brush system...I mean...a winner for Heavy Duty Vehicle Transport testing...

I also have the CAD to convert it...

I will post some pic's of it disassembled later on...it was originally a 5 HP 36V Beauty...
But...well...Only You Guys could imagine what we could do with it...


Regards


Ufopolitics
That sounds great! - something that can move a car on a lot less battery power I assume than it would require with regular electric motors. I was wondering if the current crop of electric car motors can be modified in this way. Like a Warp 9" or something along those lines. Probably not those as I'm guessing those are not brushed - but I'm actually very lacking in electric motor knowledge. Anyway I'm getting off here to go hacking apart the two Milwaukee drill motors I pulled out and see if I can do some building and rewinding.
I just have one question that I'm sure UFO or someone has tried. Can we feed the generator output of this setup back to the battery with two diodes and get some recharging of the battery that way? Bad idea? Good idea?
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Hi Ufo and all

Special congratulation to John-g and Netica, for the great work.

Netica you seems to get a really amazing result in your gen. Perhaps a shematic of your connection . Thank's.

For my update, i dismanteled the motor and i grinded the side of the flange brush holders , so i can rotate them to better tune.

The result is outstanding by a rotation of about 10 degree, my motor start alone each time, the amp draw is more than the half than before , and the torque is much higher. But my generator voltage stays at EG 3,6 volts for an input of 4.5 volts. I do not dare going higher than 6 volt without the propeller installed because the rpm is really wizzling.

So now the motor is glued and i will keep it like this as my shool motor and i probably will give a go to a 3 poles asymotor.

Good luck at all

Laurent
Hello Woopy. I've always been a fan of your video channel. Since you seem to be pretty far along and knowledgeable about this modification, maybe you can answer a few questions for me. What did the modification prove for you?
Does the motor run faster or have more torque than the stock motor?
Does it do so while using less current?
Is the motor / generator increased voltage have any use other than what you would expect from one DC motor turning another?
Let me tell you about something I tried. I took two of these motors and connected them with a rubber coupling. While running the first motor at 10 volts I had another 9 volts on the generator motor. If I made the proper connections I could measure 19 volts. OK know I made a test. I adjusted the input voltage so that I had 12 volts comming of the motor / generator connection. I applied the 12 volts to two 12 volt lights that are 50ma each. The lights where bright as expected but the current draw to run the setup went up by 200ma or twice what it would take to run the bulbs by direct connection to a 12 volt supply. This acted like a step up transformer with a 2:1 ratio. I expected exactly what I saw. What happens when you attach a load to your modified motor?. Try just the generator and try the increased voltage connection. I'm trying to figure out which of the two senarios is the case: Is this a more eficient motor or is it a more effiecient generator or is it both?
Maybe there are similar tests already. Let me know if you know of something.
John H
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Here is a picture of a drill motor rotor with replaced longer shaft 100 winds of 24# wire, epoxied windings and soldered tabs.

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For those who have tried already, are the laminations glued to the shaft or are they welded?
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