UFO,

Please start a new thread so that this one can stay focused on Step 1.

I will post results from yesterday when I charged batteries.. don't have time till this afternoon.

Bob

Hello Bob,

Yes, I will make a new thread just for the Motors and Generators (Electrodynamics) as soon as videos and all diagrams, 3D CAD's are ready...and of course the prototypes...

Agree, it is better not to mix both fields together, so leave this Thread as the Primary for controllers and Coils structures.

Bob if you could when having the coil on and output lamp fully lit...get a couple of solid steel bars, round one of each ends...long enough as they allow you to grab on your hands while you introduce one at each end towards center of coil air core (take the 'Paracore' out)...The purpose is that you could actually get the "feeling" of the strength of both fields...it is a weird feeling, because once in...it is very hard to pull them apart once they have made contact..however, both bars allow you to maintain a certain positioning of air gap between them...then you will feel the very strong vibrations...
The easy way to get them out while on, is by sliding both together from one side...I imagine in your coil, the strength should be incredibly high.


Regards


Ufopolitics

I am glad to see so many having success with this. I agree a new thread would be best for motors/generators but with a link to this thread in your first post so others may see in general what has been done already by UFOpolitics and others here.

bobfrench, To post pictures here is easy - just don't use the 'quick reply' option but use the advanced reply. Once you have an advanced reply open look to the bottom of that page for a button labeled 'Manage Attachments'. Click that and you'll see an upload button. Click that and the rest should be easy.

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@Bob:
Great job & great pics! Your drawing will be very helpful.

@UFO:

Thank you for posting your work here. I appreciate it.

Have wound a coil: 9 strands of 16 gauge wire (litzed) left over from another project and seriesed 2 strands to get in at around 2 ohms.

I built the power supply unit using one of the later, updated, drawings.

Now, to wait on the pots and a few caps to come in and then we'll join the party!!

glen

Hey UFO,

I agree 100% with the others that a seperate thread on the "Motor/Generator" functions of utilizing with Radiant energy is needed.
I was thinking about putting this mod on my Kromrey converter when the thread is up and running.
That is questions/experiments for a later date

Regards
Zero

UFO,

Yesterday a friend and I took 6 identical, old, 12v, 115Ah batteries and made two 36v banks. We set up bank A (the better three) to power the device to charge bank B. Bank A was 37.00v at rest and Bank B was 34.94v.

My lowest frequency was 133Hz (I need to change my cap and add another 100k pot w/ the one controling the frequency) and the duty cycle was at 13%. We started at 2A draw on Primary.

As I raised the frequency, the charge batteries jumped up to to 38.4v then dropped evenly to 36.27v and started up again (at about. 01v per 2 secs.) until after 2.5 hrs. they were up to 39.94v. At this point we stopped the charging and let everytying rest for 10 minutes. So far everything seems very normal for this kind of charging, except that the device appears to be very stable and powerful...pushing the batterioes right on up continuously. The Primary initially dropped to 36.20v and stayed there the whole time, then recovered to 36.98v during the 10 minute rest.

Then we switched A and B and charged the opposite way for about 20 minutes. We stopped and rested things again, swapped the banks back and started charging bank B again for another 20 minutes and stopped.

After letting the battries rest for a few hours (in order to get truer readings) bank A was at. 37.07 and bank B was at 38.32v. BOTH BATTERY BANKS WERE HIGHER!

These were not very good batteries, either. One of bank B batteries was at 10.69v in the beginning.

I like that. Another interesting note: The amp draw on the Primary dropped from 2A to 1.5A as I went UP in frequency (from 133Hz to about 550Hz).

Also the devices seems to adapt to the situation as does Bedini's machines do. When used to run lights I got the frequency as high as 919Hz, could only get up to about 550Hz when charging the batteries. So ther is some feedback happenning and I guess impedence matching of sorts (?).

The MOSFETs heated up to the low 90's and the "monster coil" to 128 degrees. All went very well...no blown components.

A good time was had by all.

Bob

Hello Bob,

Yes the System does charges batteries (I had tried only Lead-Acid, since LiPo's require some sort of "Religious Cult"... ...However I had not performed such a great test as you have done, that was excellent Bob!!

And letting them seat at rest for a while is the only way to know the charge are not a 'superficial' one...Grrreat!!

Yes you are right, the System tends to do some kind of balancing related to the loads, and the start up the Amperage increases to then decrease once time-load on had gotten to a certain point...

Now imagine that we could put the great strength of the electromagnetic fields taking place at that Coil center core...to turn a rotor and induce the rotor's Coils at same time it is developing a torque and speed...using the "Primary Coil" as this Coil we are all pulsing now, but as a Pulsed Stator for the motor...All Coils connected to Output via Diodes set up...

I have done that also...is beyond expectations...so get ready very soon.

I am preparing an "Open Motor Set Up" so we could see whatever is taking place inside, plus changing different type of Rotors and of Coil-Stators set up...

I am pretty sure We will have it very soon...a pretty solid set-up here and in the next thread.

I have done it...and it does wonderful things...


I wanted to tell you something else Bob, You have been incredible!!
You came lastly here, after taking over three days reading the whole thread...Ordered parts...got it all hook up in a matter of a "couple of days"...and superseded even my own set Up by enhancing your Coil and oscillation circuit from the latest and better contributions from this great "Electronic Guys"that have posted here...I, have not done the LM339 or the LM393 circuit as of now, being me, the creator of this thread...

Amazing Bob...like We say in U.S..."Man, You really don't fool around dontcha?


Anyways, I am really grateful that you walked into this thread Bob!!


Warm regards my friend!


Cheers and Regards to all the rest ...May We All have a Cigar now??...

Goodnite

Ufopolitics

Hi all,

So glad to see that others have started to get involved with learning and replicating UFO'S work.

Hi Bob, you have said that you have a quad-filar coil around a Paracore, I don't know what a Paracore is could you please explain it?

It seems that multifiler coils are the best way to go for now.
Hi UFO, just wondering if you use the multifiler coils in the your motor set ups as well?

netica

Hello Netica,

Thank You, Yes, I am very glad the System was upgraded with a Quadfilar by Bob French, resulting lower pulses required from our "side", the hot side, as well as a better oscillator circuit with the LM339 (Dual LM393)...

Bob explained about the Paracore material in one of his first posts here, it is some kind of a compounded alloy made of different materials, But mainly made of Paramagnetic Materials.
The system works also fine with a regular soft steel bar that could be treated, for better results by exceeding its Curie Temperature and cooling it suddenly. This takes a very high percentage of its "Magnetic Memory" required factor to perform better under this very high and intense switching magnetic fields.

However it seems the Paracore has all this properties and more naturally...

Yes Netica, I use the Bifilar in the Stators and in the Rotor of my Motor, so far I have built a mid size one, but planning to get a bigger size made in the future.

Regards

Ufopolitics

UFO and all;
Bob is putting some finishing touches on his system and I have a preliminary PCB for it thus far. What I wanted to add is that I have used black sand which is the fallout from mining. It is collected with a magnet and sold on ebay. I think that Bobs paracore material is simular or the same, not exactally positive. It holds no memory and heat in the coil is controlled much better as well as being kind of a middle point between iron core and air core. This is cast using strong magnets on each end to allign material length wise.
UFO----See what you have started. Cant wait untill we get into motor control as I will be there.
Dana

UFO and everyone,

Thank you for everything. I am not much of an inventor and I don't know much about electronis, but I am one heck of an innovator. So I am grateful to Cinan, Mad Scientist, Torpex, Dana and especially UFO for all the fine information that has mad it possible for me to participate in this great adventure.

Thank you!

I am having fun.

Bob

Hey Dana,

Sorry I have started all this!!...and you have not seen nothing yet...

It seems that the Paracore material will do much better than even "not memorized" steel.
The basic requirements are not to "remember" about last time magnetic field orientation...and to keep a lower temperature...
According to my tests, the regular steel will get very hot due to the excessively fast and drastic magnetic fields shifting polarities, even after heating-cooling-magnet process, still ,this changes makes the molecular structures to go crazy inside...
There may be a need to be able to fuse this material and make it as sheet lamination's, in order to be cut via Water Jet the shapes of future rotors and stators configurations.

Be patient...in the mean time take a look at the new Farmhand thread about motor modifications...


Cheers and Regards to all

Ufopolitics

Hello Bob!,

You will keep having fun there...
I have got a couple of suggestions for you to try, since you have the system ready and running...
make a smaller spool-air cored (plastic or fiberglass) that you could insert inside the Monster Coil...turn there a few thousands of fine wire...I did it with 33 awg, I made One of 8000 turns running along the Coil vertical axis...and another one horizontal plane of 4000 turns...both work fine...
And then, just apply pulses, slowly though...and please, do NOT connect it to any meter!...it may arc inside and blow them...If using a Scope, just use the probe (not ground) or will fry it also...
Get a Xenon "U" tube (400 Volts)...and watch the beautiful plasma arc running from one electrode to another one...
Also get a High Pressure Discharge Sodium HID...35 or 50 Watts...and watch the arcs glow...
Try it with the Paracore inserted inside Secondary...and watch it increase...
Now the current produced there DOES SHOCK!...so handle it carefully!

Neons will glow...but at very low, low frequencies...just a bit of a turn will blow them cracking glass...so careful there

Last one...Have you tried to run a Brushed motor there yet?
Please do, and check the Brushes and commutator elements...barely a small spark if none...and check temperature also versus running it with just Hot electricity...

Warm Regards

Ufopolitics

Hi all,

I'm sorry, I am a little busy and I could have answered before.

I am enjoying a lot with this experiment, really it is spectacular, the best of everything is your disposition to share and to suggest all the times, thank you for everything. Although I not yet am aware of the baby's potential, it has still to do a lot of proofs

Hola amigo Ok, no problem, I already know that the message arrived. Thank you very much for your attention and time

Congratulations for your new avatar, he is very nice and besides very appropriate.

I agree too, other thread is separately better.

I keep on working in the coil, it goes advancing slowly:


@ZeropointEnergy
The video is very interesting and the light of neon looks very good. I have not tried with so low frequencies. What is your power source?

@Bob
Congratulations for the results and the photos, very interesting. I would like to know what you have used configuration to charge batteries and that charging ratio is obtained.

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First I want to say a great big THANK YOU to UFO for this thread. I am new to this forum and just found this thread. You are covering exactly what I have been looking for. Eager to learn what you have done. It is very generous of you to share your hard work with us.

This is the most interesting thread on this subject I have ever read. It was very annoying at the beginning when Framhand and some of the others tried to wast everyone's time with their ignorance. When I got to your post where you said you were going to leave this thread I almost had a heart attack (he can't do that I thought) so I jumped ahead to see if you did. I am so glad you were able to see those guys for what they were and continued. Well back to where I left off to get caught up.

Again thanks.

Regards
Larry

Hi folks, well I am back to ufos setup to try and run a cfl, since I had good luck with the joule ringer 2.0, thought I would see what luck I will have with the double diode setup.
I'm running some battery charging tests to start with using a salvaged n-channel mosfet STP80NE06 from a rc electric plane speed control, though it is a low voltage mosfet, it has a .01 ohm Rds.
using 555 timer for pulses.
I have other mosfets to try, though this one seems to working good for the battery charging tests using 12 volt battery to charge 12 volt battery for now.
And just using the primary coil off a medium size transformer, will use a better coil setup later.
peace love light
tyson

Hey Torpex,

The power source was the 14AH SLAB seen in the YT clip as I hooked up the Green gator clip. Any 12V PSU would work fine if any are wondering and I used a 7AH SLAB but was over the C20 rate. What do you use for you input power source battery or PSU?. I used 6V to test the input signal was working, then increased to 12V to obtain plasma in the neons to record/document.

I'm still waiting on parts to make the complete circuit and just playing around with the neons watching the plasma dances
(I'm going to make another PMW circuit, leaving my working model set up and use more MOSFET's in parallel. Have made this work with a bifilar coil, NPN transitor and compare if MOSFET's obtain more Radiant in my test circuit.)

It does charge batteries and when I place another 12V SLAB on the output it raised from 12.95 to 13.33V in less than a min, thus proof of concept is achieved that is charged with the Radiantly induced inductive spike.

UPDATE:

The neons start the plasma on each leg at between 17-21Hz and when I increase to over 30Hz the Radiant produces the red/white flashes as the plasma reaches it max potential.
Diodes at the output side obtain the higher frequencies as shown by UFO. However, my frequencies are different values of, input = 45Hz on scope (45-50Hz of my DDM on the hot side of the diode) and the cold side of the diode is 93Hz

I have found that the amazing bright flashes generated by the neons will dissapate after a few mins and only appear on the legs of the neon. My conclusion is the plasma arcs are damaging the material in the neon and thus reducing the conductive path between the neon legs/glass bulb.

UFO!!

Did you see my YT clip, or message asking about this anomoly and I have been waiting a year for someone to openly discuss these Radiant effects, I have more if you wish to indulge me and answer my burning questions
I have many pictures that contain Radiant anomolies from my experimenting.

Regards
Zero

Hey Bob,

I have seen what you build on Monopole 2-3 groups and I respect your work ethic that you place in your experiments, like the C-Bat DVD for example
You have attacked this circuit full stream ahead since Dana told us about this on BM2 and I will make the circuit you posted when the parts finally arrive

I only finished reading this thread a day after you and your progress to the top is inspiration to me all to hurry up, obtain the same results and not to feel too lazy. I'm excited that we are analysing the fundermentals of where the Radiant energy is appearing in our loads and the best methodology to harvest it for our daily uses.

Can you please try something with your CFL for me? Dial back the frequency until the Radiant is just appearing and then increase by the frequency by few Hertz at a time untill 100% brilliance. Waiting impatiently so can try this myself with the completed circuit

Regards
Zero

Hello to All,

I want to thank you all for just being here and posting your results, your doubts and your curiosity to know more...
I want to thank Mad Scientist for bringing such a great and simple circuit that could be modified to work even with Dual Anti-Phase Oscillations based on the LM339 (Dual LM393)...

@Bob French: Now that you have built the circuit with this chip (LM339), there are legs loose that could be wired to obtain pulses "On The Other Side" also, the Positive channel...the post from Mad Scientist where He displays it, is after the one you have mentioned, and that is because I ask him if it could be possible Anti-Phase there...

Dual Pulsing of both channels leaves more room open for Radiant to flow back, creating a more organized traffic network...however we have to make it more robust still.

However, I also find the N-Channel Oscillator as a very robust one, as to stand the heavy kick backs from Radiant basically when controlling a Motor or a Heavy and low resistance Coil.

@Cinan: Based on Bob's Circuit arrangement using an LM339, We could figure a way to build Anti-Phase with just N-Channels (I know it is a pain to deal with Positive Channel Mosfet's, as you have written before...besides many problems they have, Spec's never reach the ones from N-Channels, and are too expensive)
In a BLDC Controller, are used only N-Channels, however, they output a Negative and Positive signal out, by deriving between the two Banks of Drains can be obtained the "Mirror Phase" at identical times.
I know the system will work much better with MOSFET's Drivers, however, by now, let's try to keep it simple...(That is my opinion) and use as many MOSFET's as the LM339 allows to drive, till we have a very accurate oscillator circuit, then we could go "at large".
The System could also be improved with Opto-Isolators from Gate to low voltage signals, Isolating them from Drain-Source flow, allowing higher voltage peaks to excite coil...but like Mosfet's Drivers...let's leave it for further analysis...

The reason I am writing all this, is because I know, there is a point - Once We have Radiant In- that we can keep Her very robust at Peak Levels, while just maintaining a Minimum Pulse from our side...
With Bob's adapt, we could play by reducing the Duty Cycle (He has done it to very low levels [@ 8-13%], and still obtaining Heavy Radiant Flow)...this is exactly what we are looking for!!

This is the way I have observed and seen how Radiant works...
Once we get Her in...She will thrive to keep up, and even balance her Field according to Loads connected!!...even if we lower our magnetic field strength (by lowering duty cycle reduces our T-On times, so there is much less energy spent at our end, and leaving "more room" for Radiant to enter) ...playing with this fact would be our complete success...We must find the Minimum Required Pulses on our side to still keep Radiant In Robust ways...
I have thought of very spaced apart pulses (by larger times off or low levels duty cycles), but of Higher Peak Voltage levels to compensate-balance the Magnetic Fields Resonance.

By writing all this I do not want you to deviate from Bob French's great testings and set-up , so going FIRST by His Circuit and replicating-obtaining this great results yourselves at your end, is a primary factor to start developing into higher concepts.
But to keep in mind all I have written for future testing and experiments.

Warm Regards to All


Ufopolitics

Hello SkyWatcher!!

A pleasure to see you around here again!!

Wish you the best of luck to get your set-up running and successfully !!

Regards

Ufopolitics

LarryRoss!!

Thanks for your comments!

You made me laugh! ...the way you wrote that post!!...very "vivid" description of your readings...

Well, I am very glad that you have found this thread interesting...and it was what you were looking for...

You know...the reality is that those guys who were criticizing my work...questioning my knowledge and so on...have contributed somehow -in a great way, I may say- to grow in me much stronger desires to reach my destination point-goals...So, in the end, I am really very glad they'd show up here...

Therefore I Thanks Them All!!

I have dealt with many skeptics, many pessimistic opinions during all my life...and They All have done a great job making me stronger to Prove otherwise...to a point I have started to "Enjoy the Process"...


Cheers and a warm Welcome Larry!!


Ufopolitics

I just wanted thank you for the warm welcome and state your generosity is only out done by your kindness and understanding.
I should be as big a man as you.

Also was wondering if you had started your motor and generator thread yet?

Regards
Larry

Yep! Great idea and I can hardly wait to see where it goes from here... I ordered my parts today and should have them Monday at the latest... I have some of Bob's ParaCore material (I sure would love to get some more Bob! Hint! hint! ) and will be using that in my coil...

@Ufopolitics, Thank you for sharing your videos and findings with us! I'm really looking forward to working with this setup!

Best regards to all,

Luther

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Hello UFO etal,

I work long hours on Tuesday, wednesday, and Thursday, so I get little else done including answering e-mail, etc. Sorry.

The hand drawn circuit has one wrong wire. Dana is about finished computerizing it and as soon as it is proofed we will be posting it for everyone.

My latest test has not had good results yet as I started with batteries that weren't charged up enough to do what I was trying to do (which was simialr to the other battery charging we did Monday). So nothing to add yet. I'm short on charged batteries at the moment. I think I can use some other larger batteries to continue this test.

Dana has given me a good suggestion on coating the carbon fiber (using tiny heatshink). I will look into this soon. He may have another source for the ParaCore, which I will test to see if it it the equivalent of my material. If so, this will make it easier to obtain, as my source is far away and a little dificult to deal with.

UFO, ParaCore can be made into any shape by molding it. It is apower (sort of like fine dirt) and can be easily mixed with glue/resin/epoxy/etc. This may be much easier than having it machined. I used a water soluble adhesive/sealer which I mix 50/50 with water and added only a very little bit to wet the ParaCore. I made a "dry pack" mixture to obtain as dense a core as possible (glue/etc add now value, only hold it togther). Since I was putting this in a plastic spool I didn't need much adhesive involved. UFO, I don't know what shapes you have in mind, but we can make simple molds. Designing molds for a mahinist to make will be no prblem if needed.

UFO, you described making a coil that will go inside the "monster" coil I have. Expound a little, if you would, on what is suposed to happen ith it. Does it produce a power source also?

I'm tired. I'll get to it tomorrow.

Joy to you all,

Bob

UFO,

The more that I do this stuff the more I get the feeling that once we understand what's really needed we may find that the parameters for the coils, voltage, and frequency are not overly critical.

I hope that the CF coil will also boost things significantly. I want to try this very soon.

I need to try the brushed motor too. That will be cool. Ha, ha.


Torpex,

I used three 12v bats in series for both banks. 1 to 1 ratio. Seemed to work pretty well.


All,

We (Dana and I) will have the corrected circuit (I had drawn an extra line, not good) available very soon and then will come out with a board for easy building. We will also be able to supply modifications for building larger units, etc.

Bob

Skywatcher,

How have your battery charging tests been doing? I have only done a couple with this system and have used only 36v. But I would like to try 12v if it works. I'm limited on battery power and am off grid, so recharging them is a pain at this time.

Bob

Hi all,

@ZeropointEnergy
Thank you for your reply. I use 7AH SLAB for 12v testing and car batteries for 36v, I prefer not to use psu.
I have also tried to charge batteries, but I consider the increment that I see that he is due to the high voltage of the peaks. My better ratio (input/output) hovers around the 80 %.

I also believe the same as you. I have also seen a curious effect, 2 violet parallel and constant lines (without arcs) between neon's legs and the plasma. My neon already shows signs of being deteriorated, the glass is blackened.

The new coil is done, I already have tried it. Drain current decreased of 390mA to 290mA.
Something rare happens with my oscillator and the range of frequency, I have to investigate it.

Bad news:
My calculations of input/output give me 85-95% performance.

I have tried with a filament bulb of 40w-220v and I can light it, but rising the input over the 40w.

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Thank you for your reply. Ratio is very good, current drain?.
I only have tried to charging with 12v and my ratio is 80%.

I believe that I try to adjust from the point of view of the hot electricity and I do not drive very well the cold side.

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Hello UFO
I am still trying to get caught up and only on page #9 (too many spring outdoor projects). I have a question... I hope it hasn't already been addressed, if so please guide me to the page range where it is discussed. My question is... I can see and understand the diodes blocking the hot side current during the initial hot side voltage/current rise, but the diodes do nothing against the current generated by the collapse of the magnetic field on the primary coil which will be in the opposite direction, but in the same direction as the radiant current and this hot current will not be isolated from the cold side by the diodes. I am sure I am missing something so clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Regards
Larry

Hi folks, Hi bob, It seems to be charging well so far, I am using a 13.8 volt power supply for now.
The mosfet is stone cold, so that part of it is working good, I have been charging 12 volt, 7ah, sla batteries and AA nimh cells.
Not sure yet, what tests I should be running or what results I should be looking for, if anything for now, I am glad I am able to use these salvaged mosfets, since I fried most of my supply of bipolar transistors already, hehe.
I will be trying to light up a non-modified cfl next and see what kind of efficiency I can get.
peace love light
tyson